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Author Message Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1324 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 06:16 pm:    Okay, we've had a "Favorite Typos" thread (http://discus.4specs.com/discus/messages/23/848.html) for a long time, but I came across the following today on a set of drawings and thought maybe we should also have a thread on this subject. Here's the nascent entry: "Existing built-up roll roofing to be removed and re-installed all throughout roof" Yeah, right...I'd light to see you get a warranty on that one. Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 2035 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 06:23 pm:    I'd like to see that sentence parsed! And there's the old question: "to be removed" by whom? Egads! Where did that person learn grammar / English / construction? James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: jsandoz Post Number: 168 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 06:35 pm:    Lynn, my best guess is grammar and construction were "learned" at the same place: HHUU (Heaven Help Us University). Ron, I hesitate to contribute some real gems I've seen since it might be assumed they came from within my firm. :-) Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 2036 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 06:47 pm:    I worked with a couple of Architects at my former firm to clean up the standard drawing notes, so I know there are at least a few who are concerned about the language used in drawing notes. Perhaps this could be a learning experience? Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 59 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2015 - 01:50 am:    I know an architectural panel manufacturer that uses a directional finish (a finish that differs in appearance depending on which way the "grain" of the material is oriented). Their shop drawing consistently show the direction of the grain or pattern pointing in two directions. How will the shop know how to orient the sheet materials being formed? Not sure if this is funny or just sad. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: jsandoz Post Number: 169 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2015 - 08:19 am:    When I do my semi-occasional "Specs 101" presentation for the benefit of the younger members of staff I incorporate in the part about 'spec language' the importance of consistency of terminology between the specifications and the drawing notes. I also take this opportunity to discuss the clarity of drawing notes in particular. As you can imagine there has been quite a bit of turn-over in our office (as has been the case in many offices) during the past few years. Because of this, and the fact we were compelled to do more with less (staff), some of our standards have suffered. Lately we have been redoubling our efforts to correct this. I'll share some amusing attempts at drawing notes as they arise (I do quite a bit of QC review these days) but we should all keep in mind these 'mal mots' (opposite of bon mots) usually come from those who have not yet been properly mentored in the fine art of drawing notation. Well, let's hope that's where they come from. Bpayne (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Monday, July 13, 2015 - 08:54 pm:    "All materials not specified shall be of the best quality obtainable for the intended purpose” James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: jsandoz Post Number: 170 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 14, 2015 - 08:07 am:    "All materials not specified shall be of the best quality obtainable for the intended purpose.” Who ever wrote this just put a lot of us into early retirement. I specify nothing and my clients get the best quality obtainable. It's a win-win! :-) Dale Hurttgam, NCARB, AIA,LEED AP, CSI Senior Member Username: dwhurttgam Post Number: 121 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 05:27 pm:    We once had a client who had a national chain of outlets(theoretically identical). When they were doing upgrades, they did not want to pay for field checking so they had a General Note: The contractor shall be responsible for providing everything indicated on the construction documents including items shown as existing that do not do not actually exist. I may not have the language exactly correct (it has been a lot of years), but it was very close to this. They were serious about this....so if a door was shown or a single occupancy toilet room, etc. and they were not actually there, they expected the contractor to provide one. Not sure how successful they were with this strategy. Actually got in trouble with them. We were doing a project that was in our area and I went out to check it - wanted to do a better job. They did not want to know if the existing conditions caused a problem, they just wanted all the projects addressed the same way and resolved in the field. They did not appreciate my extra effort. George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 799 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2015 - 05:51 pm:    Provide everything on drawings "...including items shown as existing that do not do not actually exist." I'd be real tempted to draw a unicorn... Jeffrey Leemhuis, AIA, CSI, CCS, LEED-AP, SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: jrlbarch Post Number: 35 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 - 08:29 am:    Apparently there is nothing new with "catch-all" phrases. We came upon this in one of our projects. This little gem is from 1826 as written: "Further if there should be anything, either in materials or Workmanship, omitted in the foregoing specification, That are necessary for completely finishing the building agreeably to the design, expressed or inplyed [sic] in the Accompanying plan or foregoing specification, It is hereby understood, that the builder is as strickley [sic] to attend to the same and Consider it as fully belonging to his contract as if it had been fully and distinctly expressed in the foregoing specification." Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2015 - 03:48 pm:    1826 was a different world. The builder was expected to be a master builder. Few products were "manufactured" or produced to consensus standards, so the quality of the work did depend on the builder. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf Post Number: 59 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Monday, July 27, 2015 - 04:21 pm:    Recently noted in QC review: SBS-MODIFIED BITUMEN ROOFING SYSTEM ON RED ROSIN PAPER SLIP SHEET OVER RIGID INSULATION. And all these years I thought mod-bit was supposed to be fully adhered to the insulation! Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Monday, July 27, 2015 - 04:22 pm:    Recently noted in QC review: SBS-MODIFIED BITUMEN ROOFING SYSTEM ON RED ROSIN PAPER SLIP SHEET ON RIGID INSULATION. And all these years I thought an advantage of mod-bit was that it was fully adhered! John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 748 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Tuesday, July 28, 2015 - 01:56 pm:    In a cross-section of a floor, the detail included a man's shoe and lower leg. There was a note, "One foot, not to scale," Of course there are the elevation views with a crescent moon in the sky, noted "MOON, N.I.C" Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 329 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Monday, October 26, 2015 - 12:24 am:    Matching of Adjacent Veneer Leaves: Flip match. (tiny bit off-topic, because this was an architect's markup on the specs) Steve Gantner, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: sgantner Post Number: 42 Registered: 08-2007 Posted on Monday, October 26, 2015 - 04:06 pm:    Please clarify, I'm intrigued! Does the Architect intend to have the laminator call it in the air? Or is that the gesture from the shop to the Architect telling him he's number 1? Don Harris CSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: don_harris Post Number: 287 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, October 26, 2015 - 04:10 pm:    Is flip match a misspelling of slip or a misrepresentation of flipping a veneer leaf to make a book match? Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Monday, October 26, 2015 - 06:06 pm:    Depending on the authority consulted, Flip Matching is a veneer pattern in which the veneer leaves are flipped so that the top of the flitch alternates with the bottom of the flitch in the next piece to create a topsy-turvy layout. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 330 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Tuesday, October 27, 2015 - 09:40 am:    Don, I wondered the same thing. When I asked, found out it was a misspelling of slip match. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 331 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2015 - 12:24 pm:    Here's another one: Contraction Manager Are we delivering babies or a building on this project?! Unregistered Guest (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, October 28, 2015 - 01:41 pm:    A variation of the above, often seen on documents received from a CM: Construction Manger