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Author Message Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 389 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 03:41 pm:    I seem to recall that somewhere[????] there is a provoision that the Contractor is to provide those "extra items" that are required for proper work and installation, but which are not specifically shown or described. AIA A-201 sort of alludes to this-- But I seem to recall a provision [some where] that called for the Contractor providing all necessary implements and devices required to execute the work but which are not specifically shown or described. This gets down to shims, and using more nails than called for on the nailing schedule, to ensure tight and well connected work. Am I dreaming? John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 529 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 04:50 pm:    I don't know the provision you're thinking of, but there may be other ways to get at some of the results. For example, if the work isn't "tight", maybe the reference standard has tolerances. (I'm thinking of AWI installation standards, for example.) Or, if it needs to meet some loading requirements, that would control the number of fasteners. A bowing or twisting tolerance, or a loading requirement, may also control shimming. That's probably how I'd attack these kinds of issues. Robert W. Johnson Senior Member Username: bob_johnson Post Number: 82 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 06:13 pm:    Are you looking for more than what AIA A201 1.1.3 and 3.4.1 say? Many specs I saw early in my career needlessly repeated all inclusive clauses similar to the above A201 statements at the beginning of every section. The other issue relates to specifying means and methods versus results. If you specify the means and methods to do something you may be responsible for the results even though they might not be what you intended. If you specify the results the contractor is responsible for the means and methods to accomplish it. Do the specs call for compliance with a nailing schedule or to provide tight and well connected work? Shedrick E. Glass, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: shedd_glass Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 06:43 pm:    Look in division 01 Section 01610 (01 61 00)Product Requirements (Common Product Requirements). George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 01, 2006 - 10:20 pm:    “AIA Document A201 requires the Contractor to provide everything necessary to achieve the end result shown and specified.” Although this quote from MasterSpec Evaluations is from the Temporary Facilities and Controls section, it’s related to your question, Ralph. The quote refers to AIA A201 1.2.3: “The intent of the Contract Documents is to include all items necessary for the proper execution and completion of the Work by the Contractor.” Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 390 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 08:05 am:    Thanks, George, that relieves the old head, that at least something similar to my take does exist. May I offer as clarification , though, that it is AIA A201 1.2.1 that has that passage, and I don't find any reference, in my version of MasterSpec Evaluations for Section 015000. Am I overlookng something? George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 168 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 10:17 am:    Ralph- Right. I was looking at an annotated version of A201 in my old AIA Handbook at home. I suspect that was the 1987 version. Either that, or I made a typo. 1997 version (at work) is 1.2.1. I'll email you a copy of the evaluations I used. This points out again, as so often said on this discussion board.... the version of the referenced standard is an important item to include, when quoting the standard. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 344 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, June 02, 2006 - 04:41 pm:    there is also a Masterspec Section 017300 (old number 01700) on "Execution" that gives some general requirements about providing enough fasteners, and making sure things are in alignment. I'm putting more language in my specs now about expected results of installation, and including tolerances if possible. More often the general contractor uses the specs to enforce good performance from his subcontractors, and language in Division 1 doesn't always do us much good. (I also think that if you have to tell a guy to shim his work and use enough fasteners, language alone may not help much, either.) My specs seem to be getting longer, but a lot of the nattering at the job site seems to have gone away. Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 391 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Monday, June 05, 2006 - 06:59 am:    Ms. Whitacre, I do agree. The incident that started this "quest" for me was a contractor denyng the need for him to furnish gylcol for the entire system, when he was required to run, test, and establish proper operation of the machine and the entire system. Claimed he only had to supply gylcol for the machine and the owner was to supply the remainder [not so stated any where]. Like your shim example seems ridciulous, but then looking for another buck is now more than a pass-time.