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David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 1893
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - 05:20 pm: |    |
I have been asked to specify a "green wall" for the exterior of a project. This product is basically stainless steel wire rope with stanchion stand-offs. Does anyone recommend a product? What has been your experience with this product? Should Landscape Architect specify this product? Does anyone have a specification? Thanks.
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC |
Brian Payne
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 251
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - 05:33 pm: | |
SpecLink has it under 32 9447 - Factory Fabricated Trellis System. CAn't share the master, but shoot me an email and I'll share what I can.
bpayne@dudapaine.com |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 399
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - 05:34 pm: | |
David,
I wish the landscape architect would specify them, but I often do it for projects without a landscape architect.
On 4specs, you can find a bunch of manufacturers under 07 0840 - Living Walls and Green Walls and 32 9460 - Trellis Systems.
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Wayne Yancey
Senior Member
Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 935
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - 06:21 pm: | |
David,
Please e-mail me at wayne.yancey@crtkl.com |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC
Senior Member
Username: redseca2
Post Number: 700
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - 07:06 pm: | |
I find that the Landscape Architect often wants me to specify the wire rope system because it attaches to "my" building. On the other hand, I do not specify living things, that is their job. |
Richard Baxter, AIA, CSI, CDT
Senior Member
Username: rbaxter
Post Number: 131
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2021 - 07:39 pm: | |
If you go to the website for Gsky Living walls, they have Product MasterSpec spec sections for both 097753 "Vegetative Wall Systems" and 329500 "Exterior Planting Support Structures." I assume you can get them on the MasterSpec website as well, if you are licensed to use it. They were added in 2019. |
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 1894
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, October 14, 2021 - 12:55 pm: | |
Thanks everyone!
My rough rule of thumb for who writes the specifications is if the item attaches to the building, I write the specification. If it is outside the building, the landscape architect writes the specification.
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC |
Dan Helphrey
Senior Member
Username: dbhelphrey
Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2018
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2021 - 01:49 pm: | |
Most of the fights I've had with consultants are over things they really should detail/specify but that they want me to. The one and only exception was for a planter at the base of a building wall - the landscape architect insisted that he was the only one qualified to detail a planter, and I had to be equally insistent that if "his" planter had the potential to leak into "my" building, then it had better be a collaborative effort...sigh. |
Dan Helphrey
Senior Member
Username: dbhelphrey
Post Number: 77
Registered: 12-2018
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2021 - 01:58 pm: | |
Another funny landscape architect story: The landscape architect wanted to use small river rocks and asked me for a spec, to which I replied, of course, "I don't specify rocks." After much back and forth, in a moment of frustration, I angrily banged out the following section and sent it to him.
The punchline is, he actually wanted to USE it...
(For the record, if this ever comes up for anyone else, I have since discovered that landscape rocks are "mineral mulch" in 32 93 00 of MasterSpec.) |
James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: jsandoz
Post Number: 335
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2021 - 02:05 pm: | |
Good one, Dan. For agnostics you might substitute "Mother Earth" for 2.01 A. 1. |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 628
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 15, 2021 - 02:17 pm: | |
Dan, for the sake of completeness, you could have included a reference to ASTM D653 for a definition of rock.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC
Senior Member
Username: redseca2
Post Number: 701
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2021 - 12:50 am: | |
We had to match some existing river rock ballast on some roofs and for the approval process we noted: "A bucket of the proposed rocks when poured onto an existing rock bed will match such that you cannot verify which is which". |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 629
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, October 17, 2021 - 03:12 pm: | |
The bucket test is clever. I recommend you add parameters to qualify the observation, including lighting conditions, wetness or dryness, and distance from which it is observed. Also the distribution of the sample; if the contents are scattered over several squares, it may be more difficult to detect than if they were all dumped in one spot.
Ah! I love detailing specs to absurdity. So much fun.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru |
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