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Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 452
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 11:38 am: |    |
Manufacturer update: Armstrong bought Mannington's VCT business and then shut it down in 2017: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170612005111/en/Armstrong-Flooring-Completes-Acquisition-VCT-Business-Mannington and https://www.manningtoncommercial.com/vct-redirect/ confirm this.
You won't see this change in some listings of manufacturers, because it is only the VCT portion of Mannington that was affected. They still sell LVT and others. They suggest Primary Elements LVT now as an economical and lower-maintenance alternative to VCT.
If you want to keep 3 VCT mfrs in your specs, it looks like Armstrong, Congoleum, and Johnsonite's Tarkett group are it.
Hmmm, I'm wondering if it make any sense to throw Primary Elements VCT into the mix with some wording like "Provide one of the following product types:" and then indent them all 1 level further. |
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 1202
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 11:54 am: | |
Thanks for sharing Chris! |
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 1744
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 12:41 pm: | |
Maybe I misread the article but I understand that Armstrong "closed the deal" not "closed the plant".
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC |
Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 453
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 12:42 pm: | |
See the 2nd link.
"LOOKING FOR VCT?
As of June 16th 2017, Mannington no longer offers or manufactures VCT flooring."
This substantiates what an installer told one of my clients. |
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 1745
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 01:33 pm: | |
Chris, That just means that Mannington no longer makes VCT because they sold the plant to Armstrong.
It is getting harder and harder to specify three equivalent products with all the company mergers (for example paint and hardware.)
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC |
Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 455
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 01:38 pm: | |
Correct. Can you buy Mannington brand VCT from Armstrong now, though? The answer is no. So to be up to date in our specs they (Mannington) should be deleted from the VCT category. Let me know if there is something else I am missing though! |
Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 456
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 11, 2018 - 02:03 pm: | |
Thoughts on this approach?
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2.2 VINYL TILE
NOTE: For when the designer asks for VCT, and it is a public project or otherwise requiring competition: Consider combining product types as shown below, now that Armstrong bought Mannington's VCT business in 2017. They do not appear to sell under a Mannington label. Mention to designer and attempt to confirm whether either type is actually a BoD. Added Congoleum to try to have a third mfr in this category, but their website is unclear what geographic areas they cover and their Store Locator web page does not currently seem to return any results after trying numerous large cities, some even in their own state. (Waiting for response from Congoleum.)
NOTE: Do not make VCT an option like this if designer wants only LVT!
A. Provide one of the following product types:
1. Vinyl Composition Tile:
a. Manufacturers: Provide products from one of the following, or Architect-approved substitution:
b. Basis of Design Products: Provide products [specified below][indicated on Drawings], or approved substitutions. Manufacturers of vinyl composition tile include but are not limited to:
1) Armstrong Flooring, Inc.
2) Congoleum Corp.
3) Johnsonite, Tarkett Group.
c. Reference Standard: ASTM F1066, Composition 1, Class 2, Through Pattern.
d. Performance, Description, and Characteristics: Match Basis of Design products indicated.
2. Luxury Vinyl Tile:
a. Manufacturers: Provide products from one of the following, or Architect-approved substitution:
b. Basis of Design Products: Provide products [specified below][indicated on Drawings], or approved substitutions. Manufacturers of luxury vinyl tile include but are not limited to:
1) Armstrong World Industries, Inc.
2) Mannington Commercial:[ Primary Elements LVT (Basis of Design)].
3) Johnsonite, Tarkett Group.
c. Reference Standard: ASTM F1700.
1) Class, Performance, Description, and Characteristics: Match Basis of Design products indicated.
2) [Luxury Vinyl Tile: With added high-performance wear layer.]
B. Approved Substitutions: Architect-approved equal products submitted as specified for substitutions.
--OR--
2.3 VINYL COMPOSITION TILE
A. Basis of Design Products: Provide products indicated on Drawings, or approved substitutions. Manufacturers of vinyl composition tile include but are not limited to:
1. Armstrong Flooring, Inc.
2. Congoleum Corp.
3. Johnsonite, Tarkett Group.
NOTE: For discussion about Mannington Primary Elements LVT instead: (link to this 4specs post)
B. Approved Substitutions: Architect-approved equal products submitted as specified for substitutions.
C. Reference Standard: ASTM F1066, Composition 1, Class 2, Through Pattern.
D. Performance, Description, and Characteristics: Match Basis of Design products indicated.
2.4 SOLID VINYL TILE
A. Basis of Design Products: Provide products indicated on Drawings, or approved substitutions. Manufacturers of solid vinyl tile include but are not limited to:
NOTE: According to Armstrong they pioneered LVT, and their Diamond 10 is the most durable product with literal manufactured diamonds embedded in the wear layer. They also make other LVT products for projects that require competition such as public projects.
1. Armstrong World Industries, Inc.[: Diamond10 LVT (Basis of Design).]
2. Mannington Commercial.
3. Johnsonite, Tarkett Group.
B. Approved Substitutions: Architect-approved equal products submitted as specified for substitutions.
C. Reference Standard: ASTM F1700.
1. Class, Performance, Description, and Characteristics: Match Basis of Design products indicated.
2. [Luxury Vinyl Tile: With added high-performance wear layer.]
2.5 RUBBER TILE
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2.6 ACCESSORIES
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Paul Sweet (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2018 - 05:11 pm: | |
I wish they called it something other than "Luxury Vinyl Tile". It's not easy to convince a cost reviewer on a state government project that you aren't being extravagant! |
J. Peter Jordan
Senior Member
Username: jpjordan
Post Number: 1068
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 10:45 am: | |
I do not care for the LVT label. I am of the opinion that it is pure marketing to differentiate this class of products from other vinyl tile products. I also have to wonder about the printed decorative layer. How long before the wear layer wears through and the printed image begins to be damaged by traffic.
J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP
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Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 460
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2019 - 06:11 pm: | |
It should help if & when ASTM makes a special type to deal with the wear layer and some sort of testing, as well as a less hyped up category name for this! |
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman
Post Number: 1526
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2019 - 12:56 pm: | |
Doesn't ASTM F 1700 provide basic performance criteria for vinyl flooring? Why wouldn't LVT be subject to the same standard?
I agree with Peter, it is just a marketing gimmick to make it appear better than all the other vinyl flooring products. They still meet the ASTM F 1700 standard but come in a variety of textures, colors, and shapes.
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
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Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 461
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Friday, January 04, 2019 - 02:15 pm: | |
I agree that it appears to fall under the same standard. All I can tell that is different about LVT is that it is marketed with an "added high-performance wear layer".
What I meant was, if this is worth classifying, perhaps ASTM can make a new Class or Type within this standard. |
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