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Author Message Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1596 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 10:54 am:    Does anyone have a thatched roofing section they are willing to share? Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP David R. Combs, CSI, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: davidc Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2015 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 11:04 am:    United Kingdom or Polynesian? David R. Combs, CSI, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Corgan Associates, Inc. Senior Specifier Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1597 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 11:08 am:    It is for a project in Belize, so I guess Polynesian would be most appropriate. Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP David R. Combs, CSI, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: davidc Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2015 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 11:08 am:    Sorry Ron, couldn't resist. David R. Combs, CSI, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Corgan Associates, Inc. Senior Specifier Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1598 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 11:15 am:    You got me. I figured, with my lack of knowledge about thatched roofs, there probably is a difference. Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 1397 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 11:33 am:    Go to the Old Key Lime House in Lantana, FL - https://www.oldkeylimehouse.com/. It's down the street from the last CSI MSR venue. They've had to replace their thatched roofs so many times that they have a step-by-step display in their lobby on how to build one based on actual experience. I knew I should have taken more photos of that! BTW, their food isn't bad but their key lime pie really sucks. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 619 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 03:24 pm:    Thatch roofs have an especially high risk of igniting due to lightning, and Belize has a high lightning density. Contact me if you need more info. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937 www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 927 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 05:44 pm:    "Shakespeare's Globe had to have special permission to have a thatched roof – there has been a law against thatched buildings in London since the Great Fire..." https://www.shakespearesglobe.com/discover/shakespeares-world/the-third-globe/ Sorry, it's hard to pass up a rare opportunity to link Shakespeare to specifications.... George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 928 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 05:51 pm:    And only because my late father-in-law, Joe O'Day (God rest his Irish soul) would frown down from heaven if I didn't post this... https://www.formerglory.ie/thatching-faqs/ https://www.museum.ie/en-IE/Collections-Research/Folklife-Collections/Folklife-Collections-List-(1)/Architecture/Traditional-Irish-Architecture-FAQs https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/the-specialist-kyran-o-grady-master-thatcher-1.2081132 Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 620 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 08:07 pm:    As long as we have brought up Shakespeare on a friday afternoon, One of the first specifications I ever studied was from a project called Macbeth: PART 1 - SCHEDULING Thrice and once, the hedge-pig whin'd. Harpier cries:—'tis time! 'tis time! Round about the caldron go; PART 2 - PRODUCTS AND MIXING In the poison'd entrails throw.— Toad, that under cold stone, Days and nights has thirty-one; Swelter'd venom sleeping got, Boil thou first i' the charmed pot! Fillet of a fenny snake, In the caldron boil and bake; Eye of newt, and toe of frog, Wool of bat, and tongue of dog, Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg, and owlet's wing,— For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble. Scale of dragon; tooth of wolf; Witches' mummy; maw and gulf Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark; Root of hemlock digg'd i the dark; Liver of blaspheming Jew; Gall of goat, and slips of yew Sliver'd in the moon's eclipse; Nose of Turk, and Tartar's lips; Finger of birth-strangled babe Ditch-deliver'd by a drab,— Make the gruel thick and slab: Add thereto a tiger's chaudron, For the ingrediants of our caldron. Cool it with a baboon's blood, Then the charm is firm and good. PART 3 - EXECUTION Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937 www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 804 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 08:46 pm:    Michael: And during construction, in response to the contractor's proposed change order: Out, damned spot. George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 930 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, August 13, 2021 - 10:37 pm:    And how does the contractor views the "spec book"? It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid Post Number: 621 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Saturday, August 14, 2021 - 08:51 pm:    And how does the contractor view substitutions? "That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet” Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937 www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 805 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Sunday, August 15, 2021 - 12:44 pm:    "So how many weeks does the architect have to review the coliseum shop drawings, Caesar?" "It's two, Brute." Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 393 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2021 - 10:32 am:    Ron, When I was in Belize, a long, long time ago, the locals said to cut materials for a new thatch roof at a particular time in the lunar cycle or you would attract vermin to the roof. Maybe you also need to say prayers and leave a tribute. Yet another reason why construction takes longer in the tropics. If your Owner has a local connection, you should ask them. Everyone in Belize knows how to do it. If your Owner will be importing labor, I'm sure there are some very lovely synthetic prefabricated options. We wrote specs for a private island in the Caribbean several years ago. I think they imported prefab thatch roof kits from Bali. Yup that still sounds ridiculous. - G. Wade Bevier, FCSI, CCS, LEED-AP BD+C, SCIPa, USGBC Senior Member Username: wbevier Post Number: 68 Registered: 07-2004 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2021 - 10:48 am:    If in Belize be sure to specify Royal Palm fronds. I lived there for a number of years and we built a few structures with thatched roofing and the recommended material for durability is the Royal Palm harvested around a full moon. (More moisture in the frond at the full moon and this time of harvest makes a difference)We didn't have specifications at the time but worked with local user knowledge. George Wade Bevier, FCSI, CCS, LEED AP BD+C Arlington VA 22201 Phil Babinec Senior Member Username: pbabinec Post Number: 41 Registered: 09-2004 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2021 - 11:35 am:    And this is why I love this forum! Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1599 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2021 - 01:36 pm:    Phil, I agree, this forum is great--even after David's abuse of my gullibility on this matter. However, I am now skeptical of any responses. :-) Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 394 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Monday, August 16, 2021 - 01:55 pm:    Ron, I would totally trust Wade on this. -