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David G. Axt, CDT, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 2100
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 12:29 pm: |    |
The interior designer I work with occasionally wants me to specify a product with no product information. The website is filled with beautiful pictures of installations but little or no information on the material.
What do you do in these instances?
David G. Axt, CDT, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC |
David Stutzman
Senior Member
Username: david_stutzman
Post Number: 103
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 01:42 pm: | |
Copy the photo, paste it into Part 2 and require the contractor to provide one of these.
I actually did this for a truck dumper to unload wood chips for a power generating station when when the engineer could not provide any data to use. The engineer was not amused. |
Dave Metzger
Senior Member
Username: davemetzger
Post Number: 833
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 02:08 pm: | |
Talking about using a photo instead of the usual:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVKthkcCFpE |
Edward R Heinen CSI CDT CCS LEED-AP
Senior Member
Username: edwardheinen
Post Number: 26
Registered: 04-2022
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 02:13 pm: | |
This is common for interior products. The rep might share technical data not shown on the website, but I use a systematic approach for the language that provides bidder/contractor with enough information that they can get it. i.e. doesn't rely on unknowns.
For example:
(Par)
Product Type/Name: Brief description (e.g. "Manufactured, prefinished assembly of composite yadda yadda, including manufacturer's installation accessories...")
(Subpar)
Acceptable Product: [manufacturer, product].
Color and Finish: [here or ref to interior schedule].
Provide manufacturer's recommended installation materials and accessories for conditions indicated to produce a complete assembly. |
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn
Post Number: 179
Registered: 11-2021
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 03:35 pm: | |
I get a lot of products from Interiors that came from retail or rep agency sites that have little no information, just the pretty pictures.
Sometimes I can get to the actual manufacturer's site which has a little more information that helps me. I google the entire name that they give me, but then chip away at on subsequent google attempts.
Occasionally, a google image search will get me to the actual manufacturer's site. |
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 1653
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 04:08 pm: | |
Dave M. Thanks for the laugh.
I agree with Loretta and have resorted to Dave S's photo solution when all else has failed. I've considered calling it a photographic mockup.
When I don't know the actual product name or manufacturer I use the Drawing Designation that the Designer is using and tell the Contractor to match the photo. It has worked in the past. Better than AI. |
Margaret G. Chewning FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: presbspec
Post Number: 369
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 - 04:14 pm: | |
I have one interior design firm that insists on sending their "specs" in table format with picture, "description" and manufacturer, and includes all kinds of items including plumbing and lighting. Of course none of their grouping of products follows the SectionFormat or MasterFormat organization. I'm posting their specs as an appendix to the Project Manual and not touching it! |
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn
Post Number: 180
Registered: 11-2021
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2024 - 08:58 am: | |
Margaret -- Ugh. I see that a million times. And I hate it. I don't do anything with it. If they want to slap it on their drawing sheets, fine with me. I do not include it in the project manual UNLESS it is SPECIFICALLY requested, in which case, I do the same thing you do and call it an appendix.
I once received a HUMONGOUS file (over 300 MB) from a consultant that consisted of a gazillion pages of cut sheets and it was SPECIFICALLY requested that the whole thing be included. It was hell -- in order to upload it to the client's site, it had to be broken up into five volumes. |
J. Peter Jordan
Senior Member
Username: jpjordan
Post Number: 1191
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 12, 2024 - 11:56 am: | |
I like to tell people (especially interior designers) that they select stuff and we write the specifications. They don't specify anything.
J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP
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