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Loretta Sheridan
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Username: leshrdn

Post Number: 121
Registered: 11-2021
Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2024 - 09:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

My apologies for starting a new thread!

But I have given up!

Some time ago, someone shared the specs from a Church built in the 1800s. I have been looking for that but have been unable to find it.

Thanks in advance for your help!
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
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Username: lgoodrob

Post Number: 436
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2024 - 12:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Loretta,
Mark Kalin has a huge collection of old specifications. Please contact him directly; hed love to show them off.
Mkalin at kalinassociates dot com
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Posted on Thursday, February 15, 2024 - 12:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I remember seeing specs for a parish hall built in the late 19th or early 20th century. The specs were actually a part of the typewritten contract, and the entire contract and spec was shorter than the current AIA general conditions!

This was before scanners so I just made a Xerox copy. Unfortunately it appears to have gone out with hundreds of other papers when we cleaned out the attic to move.
Sheldon Wolfe
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Username: sheldon_wolfe

Post Number: 1061
Registered: 01-2003


Posted on Thursday, February 29, 2024 - 01:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

While still in college, I had a job in the records department of the University of Minnesota. They had drawings and specifications for all of their buildings, going back to 1886. One of the things I noticed was the older the building, the fewer drawings and the shorter the specifications.

Folwell Hall, a 112,000 square foot building built in 1905, had 58 drawing sheets and a 51 page project manual, including general conditions.

Eagle Brook Church, designed by a firm I worked for, had 85,000 square feet, and was built in 2008. It had 200 drawing sheets and a 2,000 page project manual.

AIA's general conditions have grown a bit over the years.
1888 (precursor to A201): 4 pages, included agreement forms
1911: First Standard Documents; separate General Conditions, 11 pages
1963: First titled A201
Since at least 2007, the A201 TOC has 8 pages, with 30 pages of content.
John Bunzick
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Username: bunzick

Post Number: 1929
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2024 - 03:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I have an old handwritten spec for a home (architect designed) from the late 1800s. It's pretty interesting. I also have a couple of master specification books from maybe the 1920s (going by memory). What's the context? I don't have scans of these, though don't mind sharing
James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: jsandoz

Post Number: 379
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Friday, April 19, 2024 - 06:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

On Apri 12, 2022 (two years and one week ago today) I added a book I own to this thread: https://discus.4specs.com/discus/messages/4254/9725.html
Here is an image of the cover of "Specification Writing." The book measures 7-1/2 by 5 inches. It is in pristine condition and the spine has not been broken. The book was published in 1924 by the International Textbook Company of Scranton, Pennsylvania. It comprises 130 pages of text and 12 pages of plan, elevation, section, and detail drawings.

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