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Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 1182
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 08:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I am completing specs to a one story strip shopping (big box)center, one of the spaces will be occupied by a TJ Max and the store has provided guide outline specifications, one of the line items is a request for Burglar Bars, I am assuming I can add these to Metal Fabrications spec section (surprise this client uses 48 divisions), but the specifications are for shell building only and limited scope. I seldom specify Security items like this, they are excluded from my agreements as typically the Owner has a Security Consultant on the team. One odd part of the guide spec reads as follows: "Duct penetrations through the roof will require burglar bars" - how is this done, are the burglar bars placed on the roof around the duct penetration or inside the building or inside the duct?
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: rlmat

Post Number: 658
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 09:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Jerome - Typically, the "burglar bars" would be installed inside the ducts to prevent someone from crawling through the duct from one space to the other.
J. Peter Jordan
Senior Member
Username: jpjordan

Post Number: 772
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 11:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

They may also be installed at rooftop hatches and at curbs of rooftop A/C units to prevent people from gaining access at these points.
Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: nwoods

Post Number: 599
Registered: 08-2005


Posted on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 09:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Security bars in the duct is a fairly common item, and is usually part of the HVAC spec and locations identified on the mechanical drawings. We do this a lot for pharmacies for example.
Andy (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 10:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I have seen these in Division 5. The burglar bars were rebar or steel rods welded to the RTU frames. Misc. Metals type of item.
Scott Piper
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Username: spiper

Post Number: 3
Registered: 08-2014
Posted on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

You can have security bars added as part of the AHU roof-top curbs. We have specified them as part of a Thycurb (or Pate curb)so the curbs come to the job with the burglar bars already in place.

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