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Author Message Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1830 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 10:31 am:    Our designer is looking for manufacturers of glass walls with minimal profile top/bottom channel frames. I was asked for similar products to Avantis Solare Single Glazed (not demountable). I don't know much about these and am asking for help from my esteemed colleagues with experience with these. Which manufacturers are good? Which are bad? Which are ugly? ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 778 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 11:09 am:    CRL has some great systems - http://www.crl-arch.com/product_page/doors_entrances/glass_entrance_doors.html These are entrance systems; the interior systems also can be provided as storefront. Embedding the rails into the soffit and floor can work but future replacement (breakage) can be problematic if not considered during design. Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 652 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 11:45 am:    Lynn - As someone who has specified a lot of interior all glass walls, I concur with Ken. CRL purchased the Blumcraft line of all glass doors a while back and they do have a system (1300) with a minimal profile that might work for you. It was actually developed as an interior display case system. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1831 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 11:59 am:    Stupid manufacturer requires registration...grrrr. I did it because I wanted information, but ARGH! When will they learn? And thanks! Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 654 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 12:03 pm:    Lynn - I don't think they ever will understand. It's being driven by their marketing depts. who don't get it! Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1832 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 12:09 pm:    Maybe I'll make it a campaign when I retire. I'll make up buttons to wear at shows - The word "Registration" with a slashed circle around it. Colin, how about that? I'd pay for that one to wear! Colin Gilboy Senior Member Username: colin Post Number: 373 Registered: 09-2005 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 12:39 pm:    Do the artwork and I'll produce 200 of the buttons - you can distribute in Baltimore to specifiers. I am not exhibiting this year and will include some of our "Specifers Count" buttons. Colin Gilboy Publisher, 4specs.com 435.200.5775 - Utah 800.369.8008 Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1833 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 12:44 pm:    I'll see what I can do. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 779 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 12:44 pm:    I'll wear one of each Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 772 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 02:57 pm:    I think I understand why manufacturers want visitors to register, and I don't object - as long as it's a one-time effort. Some of them set cookies, while others require a login, but if you have your browser remember the password it's automatic. Is there an equally simple button that would indicate disagreement with recent efforts to grant a license upon graduation? This one doesn't mean much without explanation. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1834 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 03:19 pm:    Good question / thought. The design for the "anti-registration" is already done. The idea of the browser remembering the password is OK, but I still have to remember *if* I registered in the first place. With this recent one, I didn't remember, and so filled out the form, only to have the website tell me I already existed in their databank. Sigh. Time wasted. Most Architects I know will be more than happy to explain the meaning of that button! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 780 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 03:20 pm:    How about if they wrote "License to commit architecture without experience"? Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEEDŽ AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby Post Number: 223 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 03:24 pm:    This is a small example what would happen if no experience was required for licensing: http://architexts.us/2014/06/18/this-is-real-life/ (In know the carton is about Interns, but the principle holds). On the other hand I have worked with a few licensed architects who make the same type of ill informed decisions. Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 773 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 05:53 pm:    It's an incestuous circle. Schools don't teach the boring stuff, instead focusing on abstract theory and bubble diagrams (neither of which should require a license). NCARB relies on graduates to learn about the boring stuff on the job - from people who graduated from the same schools, who learned from people who graduated from the same schools... J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 744 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 06:25 pm:    Sheldon's view is somewhat superficial but carries enough truth that it is worth considering. The central "problem" is can be understood by looking closely at the old adage, "The 'A' students teach while the 'B' students are working fore the 'C' students. The bottom line of almost any college education at the undergraduate level is that the best students are recruited for graduate school where the best students are recruited to do research and teach. In the US, we have chosen to have a two-part "education" to prepare people for professional practice. The first part is the academic training, and the second part is the internship. As much as many programs don't prepare students for the office environment upon graduation, many more firms shirk their responsibility in preparing graduates for professional practice. If this is not a good model, then it needs to change, but the profession cannot continue to dump on the academy for not fully preparing students for practice. NCARB and AIA along with ACSA (and AIAS) participate in developing the NAAB accreditation criteria (which is complex) and participate in visiting schools to review their accreditation. It is highly likely that the person representing ACSA on a team has never practiced, but both the AIA and the NCARB team members are usually practicing professionals. Believe me, this is a grueling and stressful process and is not automatic. I believe that IDP as it currently stands is complicated and onerous, discouraging many from pursuing licensure after graduation. I believe that the current investigation on licensure upon graduation is a reaction to the current state of affairs. What will probably come out is a recommendation for more time spent working in a professional practice environment before graduation so that the total amount of time won't be reduced (or reduced by much). This could produce people who are much more ready for practice than many current graduates. You should look at the program at the University of Hawaii where a 7-year DArch degree was adopted and accredited as the professional degree. Students spend quite a bit of time in offices away from the campus. It was adopted right before I left in 1997 so I don't have personal experience, but despite some glitches, it is still operating more than 15 years later. This could be a model for the future. Another model is the Boston Architectural Center which embodies a "work-study" approach to professional education. I really don't see that NCARP will come anywhere near recommending immediate registration for graduate of a 5-year BArch program, but will recognize that graduates may have accumulated significant experience before graduation that cannot be "captured" under the current IDP program. If you are dissatisfied with the current architectural academic curriculum, you may need to look at the input NAAB receives from AIA as well as NCARB. Thems us guys. It can't keep on happening without our acquiescence.