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Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 762 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:18 pm: | |
I came upon this video by accident, I usually don't waste the time to look at product videos, but this one was so well done, I looked at it twice, filed it for future reference, sent it out to several colleagues and clients, really well done...even though I write specs, still an architect, still enjoy looking at amazing architecture...enjoy: Trespa Exterior Panels | millerclapperton.com hope this link works, if not try googling it. Curious what else is available, wordless sales pitch videos, that can leave such an impact - post here? |
Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: nwoods
Post Number: 411 Registered: 08-2005
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:23 pm: | |
Is it this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB-ev0FdFw8 |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 763 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:28 pm: | |
thanks Nathan, I am so busy trying to get my work done each day, I seldom have time for U tube, didn't even think to check it out. For me the video left an impact as I am considering specifying Trespa on a project now. |
Alan Mays, AIA Senior Member Username: amays
Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:44 pm: | |
The big question is that since Trespa is plastic, does it have to be tested to meet NFPA 285? The next question will be, under the 2012 IBC, will it pass NFPA 285. The 2012 will more than likely require all walls to be tested using NFPA 285 unless they have come out with a non-combustible water barrier. |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: redseca2
Post Number: 322 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:04 pm: | |
Without going into great detail regarding building and ocupancy types, we have found that the key to using Trespa as an exterior rain screen panel or interior wall panel on a clip system is to fill the void spave behind the panel with mineral wool insulation. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 765 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:12 pm: | |
ALAN, FBC 2010 RECOGNIZES NFPA 285-06, i THOUGH FBC 2010 WAS TAILORED to IBC 2009 - I AM NOT A CODE GUY, WHERE IS RON? How different is the 2006 version from 2012 of NFPA 285? |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 766 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:14 pm: | |
Steven I hope to god you mean Void Space, if not what the hell is a spave? |
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman
Post Number: 985 Registered: 03-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:25 pm: | |
I'm preparing for my MasterSpec Committee meeting on Friday and Saturday, grading papers for class, preparing my slides for the full-day seminar I'm offering next Friday (of which I'm only 25% complete), and working on draft specifications for a project that are due next week. When I come up for air I'll take a quick look at this. Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 767 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 10:29 pm: | |
Damn Ron, and i thought I was busy, no rush, take your time...seems like there are more specwriters with my kind of schedule than not, just received an unpleasant email from a client wanting his specs ASAP, I doubt my excuse about breaking a toe will get any sympathy, looks like its going to be a long night....I think god is just screwing with me, if he really wanted to piss me off he would have broken the leg, but a toe, gets no sympathy from anyone, just aggravation. |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1384 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 09:19 am: | |
My building's in there! Pier Wisconsin - the one with the circular portion (kinda looks like a crown) toward the end! In white! And that's the "Dennis Sullivan" docked on Lake Michigan in front... |
Alan Mays, AIA Senior Member Username: amays
Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 02:41 pm: | |
The code in a back handed way has required plastic materials in an exterior wall over 1 story in height be tested as per NFPA 285. Since this is an assembly test, it has to be tested with the compotents. If you read the footnotes in the in Trespa's material data, they comment to contact them concerning NFPA 285 testing. This implies that they have run across this issue themselves. In the 2012 code, they added this in Chapter 14: 1403.5 Vertical and lateral flame propagation. Exterior walls on buildings of Type I, II, III or IV construction that are greater than 40 feet (12 192 mm) in height above grade plane and contain a combustible water-resistive barrier shall be tested in accordance with and comply with the acceptance criteria of NFPA 285. My personal opinion is that I do not know of a non-combustible water-resistive barrier. Does that mean that any wall that has water barrier have to be tested? Expensive... |
Colin Gilboy Senior Member Username: colin
Post Number: 291 Registered: 09-2005
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 08:56 am: | |
I googled the building name, very clean lines, what did you use for the radi panels - looks like alucobond Jerome J Lazar, RA, CCS, SCIP, CSI, NCARB Certified [email sent to me rather than the forum] Colin Gilboy Publisher, 4specs.com 435.654.5775 - Utah 800.369.8008 |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1386 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 02:13 pm: | |
Unless they changed something when I wasn't there, it's all Trespa. And, when the building was almost completed, they placed black vinyl letters on the straight west facade - "Discovery World Museum Pier Wisconsin". I thought rats, there'll be shadowing. But there wasn't...it's beautifully, cleanly, white. |
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec
Post Number: 771 Registered: 05-2003
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 02:41 pm: | |
Great Job, Lynn. |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1387 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 02:52 pm: | |
Thanks. It was fun, too. And the displays are great. If you're ever in Milwaukee, make the time to visit it. Last time I was there, they had an interactive display of the Great Lakes waterways. But turning dials or pushing levers, you could make it rain,change water levels, operate locks, and see the overall impact on the ecosystem. Great fun! |
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