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Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
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Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 762
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I came upon this video by accident, I usually don't waste the time to look at product videos, but this one was so well done, I looked at it twice, filed it for future reference, sent it out to several colleagues and clients, really well done...even though I write specs, still an architect, still enjoy looking at amazing architecture...enjoy:
Trespa Exterior Panels | millerclapperton.com
hope this link works, if not try googling it. Curious what else is available, wordless sales pitch videos, that can leave such an impact - post here?
Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: nwoods

Post Number: 411
Registered: 08-2005


Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Is it this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB-ev0FdFw8
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
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Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 763
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

thanks Nathan, I am so busy trying to get my work done each day, I seldom have time for U tube, didn't even think to check it out.

For me the video left an impact as I am considering specifying Trespa on a project now.
Alan Mays, AIA
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Username: amays

Post Number: 68
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 05:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The big question is that since Trespa is plastic, does it have to be tested to meet NFPA 285? The next question will be, under the 2012 IBC, will it pass NFPA 285. The 2012 will more than likely require all walls to be tested using NFPA 285 unless they have come out with a non-combustible water barrier.
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP
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Username: redseca2

Post Number: 322
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Without going into great detail regarding building and ocupancy types, we have found that the key to using Trespa as an exterior rain screen panel or interior wall panel on a clip system is to fill the void spave behind the panel with mineral wool insulation.
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
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Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 765
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

ALAN, FBC 2010 RECOGNIZES NFPA 285-06, i THOUGH FBC 2010 WAS TAILORED to IBC 2009 - I AM NOT A CODE GUY, WHERE IS RON? How different is the 2006 version from 2012 of NFPA 285?
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
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Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 766
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Steven I hope to god you mean Void Space, if not what the hell is a spave?
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Username: specman

Post Number: 985
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 06:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I'm preparing for my MasterSpec Committee meeting on Friday and Saturday, grading papers for class, preparing my slides for the full-day seminar I'm offering next Friday (of which I'm only 25% complete), and working on draft specifications for a project that are due next week.

When I come up for air I'll take a quick look at this.
Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
www.specsandcodes.com
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
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Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 767
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 01, 2012 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Damn Ron, and i thought I was busy, no rush, take your time...seems like there are more specwriters with my kind of schedule than not, just received an unpleasant email from a client wanting his specs ASAP, I doubt my excuse about breaking a toe will get any sympathy, looks like its going to be a long night....I think god is just screwing with me, if he really wanted to piss me off he would have broken the leg, but a toe, gets no sympathy from anyone, just aggravation.
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1384
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 09:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

My building's in there! Pier Wisconsin - the one with the circular portion (kinda looks like a crown) toward the end! In white! And that's the "Dennis Sullivan" docked on Lake Michigan in front...
Alan Mays, AIA
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Username: amays

Post Number: 69
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 02:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The code in a back handed way has required plastic materials in an exterior wall over 1 story in height be tested as per NFPA 285. Since this is an assembly test, it has to be tested with the compotents. If you read the footnotes in the in Trespa's material data, they comment to contact them concerning NFPA 285 testing. This implies that they have run across this issue themselves.

In the 2012 code, they added this in Chapter 14:

1403.5 Vertical and lateral flame propagation.

Exterior walls on buildings of Type I, II, III or IV construction that are greater than 40 feet (12 192 mm) in height above grade plane and contain a combustible water-resistive barrier shall be tested in accordance with and comply with the acceptance criteria of NFPA 285.

My personal opinion is that I do not know of a non-combustible water-resistive barrier. Does that mean that any wall that has water barrier have to be tested? Expensive...
Colin Gilboy
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Username: colin

Post Number: 291
Registered: 09-2005


Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 08:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I googled the building name, very clean lines, what did you use for the radi panels - looks like alucobond

Jerome J Lazar, RA, CCS, SCIP, CSI, NCARB Certified

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Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1386
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 02:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Unless they changed something when I wasn't there, it's all Trespa.

And, when the building was almost completed, they placed black vinyl letters on the straight west facade - "Discovery World Museum Pier Wisconsin". I thought rats, there'll be shadowing. But there wasn't...it's beautifully, cleanly, white.
Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: lazarcitec

Post Number: 771
Registered: 05-2003
Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 02:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Great Job, Lynn.
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1387
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, February 03, 2012 - 02:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Thanks. It was fun, too. And the displays are great. If you're ever in Milwaukee, make the time to visit it.

Last time I was there, they had an interactive display of the Great Lakes waterways. But turning dials or pushing levers, you could make it rain,change water levels, operate locks, and see the overall impact on the ecosystem. Great fun!

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