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John Hunter
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Username: johnhunter

Post Number: 91
Registered: 12-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 07:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

We have a project using barn door hardware, which is a first for me. Should it be specified as part of door hardware like residential-type sliding or pocket door hardware or should it be in it's own Section?
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS
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Username: rlmat

Post Number: 464
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 07:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

When I did Door and Hardware specs, I included it in the Door Hardware Section - no need to have a separate section.
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
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Username: geverding

Post Number: 612
Registered: 11-2004


Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 09:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Agreed. It's door hardware unless it is supplied as part of the door itself. Hardware on overhead coiling doors - NOT door hardware. Sliding door hardware - IS door hardware.

Exception: cylinders, regardless of where they occur, are usually specified in door hardware to coordinate keying.
George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA
Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies
St. Louis, MO
Wayne Yancey
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Username: wayne_yancey

Post Number: 498
Registered: 01-2008


Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 09:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

John,

This are two good sources for barn door hardware

www.crown-industrial.com

www.rwhardware.com
J. Peter Jordan (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 10:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

These are becoming more popular, but you do have to watch how these are coordinated with accessibility requirements and, of course, exiting requirements.
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP
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Username: redseca2

Post Number: 306
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 03:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The only other reason to exclude the barn door hardware from the project's "Door Hardware" section would be due to a contract issue, in that the "Door Hardware" section is being prepared by a door hardware consultant who has specifically excluded the barn doors (for whatever reason) from their scope of work.
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: rlmat

Post Number: 465
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 03:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

That's asssuming you're using an outside hardware consultant. When I did it, I was the inside spec writer.
You can always have the consultant include it in his spec. I've had them include certain types of gate hardware on occasion.
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
Senior Member
Username: geverding

Post Number: 613
Registered: 11-2004


Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 10:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Again, agreed. I often include gate hardware, sliding door hardware, and other miscellaneous items (Knox boxes, for example) in the 08 71 00 section that I prepare, even though they are not really in the "scope of work". Sometimes I can help in locating these items, but sometimes the architect tells me exactly what is wanted.
George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA
Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies
St. Louis, MO

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