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Author Message Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1924 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 04:25 pm:    Has anyone written a spec for an electric bug zapper - Section 10 8116 (or something close)? If you have, I'd appreciate if you could send it to ljavoroski@flad.com. It's always something. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 550 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 04:30 pm:    Section 108116 seems reasonable to me, Lynn. However, as bug zappers are just "plug-in and play" (there are few better ways to have fun than to hear the bzzzt and see the flash of blue sparks), I'd think it would be less expensive for an owner to just go to Home Depot and buy it themselves, rather than have to pay a contractor's markup. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1925 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 04:34 pm:    agreed. however... George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 777 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 10:35 pm:    Not apropos to the discussion or at all helpful to your spec question, but do you do the NYT crosswords on Sunday? Those puzzles are hard enough for old people like us, who are just trying to keep our retired brains sharp, and then they throw in overly clever cluing. Coincidentally “BUG ZAPPER” was an answer this week. The clue was “Barbeque fryer?” Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 811 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 01:29 am:    33-7997 Site Lightning Bug Protection? Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1926 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 09:49 am:    George, I used to do them with a classmate when I was an undergraduate. We had a really boring class, so we sat next to each other and did them in ink, just to prove we could. Bob and I have collaborated on many a crossword, acrostic, and other word puzzles over the years. We became friends doing the acrostics in the National Review magazine with a couple of other people. Once married, we continued and subscribed to Games magazine for years. I love to do cryptograms in my head; If I have to resort to writing them out, I consider it either a failure on my part or a really difficult cryptogram! Sheldon - love it! Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1218 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 12:18 pm:    George, I start a crossword puzzle every morning before opening an email, sometimes I finish it quickly, sometimes not until bedtime, I enjoy the non architectural challenge; cudos NYT crosswords are too frustrating for me....it is however nice to have a victory everyday. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 551 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 02:45 pm:    Since we've drifted off into crossword puzzles, this is my favorite entry of all time: Five letter word. The clue is: neither A to G, nor P to Z. David E Lorenzini Senior Member Username: deloren Post Number: 164 Registered: 04-2000 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 03:56 pm:    KIMONO? David Lorenzini, FCSI, CCS Architectural Resources Co. Robert E. Woodburn, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: bob_woodburn Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 03:58 pm:    water? Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 552 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 04:12 pm:    We have a winner--Mr Woodburn. Yes it is "water": Neither A to G, nor P to Z, therefore, H to O. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1927 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 04:22 pm:    Love it, Dave. Got it immediately, but I just got back from a meeting. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 721 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:51 am:    I do the Wonderword puzzle daily. My wife is a fanatic for crossword puzzles. I find my perception is helped ... post stroke ... by doing word puzzles. It's not wasting time but therapeutic. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1928 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 01:05 pm:    I will also admit to playing Babble on line. It's a word-find / Boggle kind of thing, with a lot of weird words. When I have the time, I also participate in the chat log (chog) that's on-going. Not exactly mindless, somewhat challenging to complete, but a good diversion. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 707 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 01:28 pm:    Bug zappers are: Section: A Div 10 miscellaneous specialty. Operation: Hand held, left or right. Description: Tennis racket design. Material: Plastic, PVC free. Sources: Home Depot, $ Store, Lowes, ACE, Do-It stores, garden outlets, patio and spa outlets. How to use: Forehand - Wrist laid back and firm; slow to impact, follow-through feeling. One or two handed backhand with topspin or slice; slow to impact, follow-through feeling. Russ Hinkle, AIA, CDT, LEED BD+C Senior Member Username: rhinkle Post Number: 128 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 01:59 pm:    I can remember my grandfather in his chair on a hot day (no shirt and shorts) with a drink in one hand and one of those "bug zappers" in the other - watching golf on TV. Bug zapping can still be a very satisfying sport! Russ Hinkle Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1219 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:11 pm:    My mother's definition of a bug zapper was the palm of her hand. Bugs feared her, as did my brother and I. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1929 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:13 pm:    Um, no, not in this case. This is a wall-mounted, recessed, vertical, professional, industrial, electric bug light trap by Insect-o-cutor http://www.insect-o-cutor.com. This one is serious! Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1930 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:14 pm:    Or chopsticks... Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 708 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:18 pm:    Back in the day when I was a manual draftsman (before Woodstock) my bug zapper was a 1/4 wide rubber band (elastic band in Canada) and a triangular scale. Flies in particular were attracted to the ammonia smell from new prints. Curt Norton, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: curtn Post Number: 191 Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:46 pm:    Ahh, there was nothing like standing in a confined space with no ventilation running prints on a hot day... The memory of that smell never goes away. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1220 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:48 pm:    Wayne, you must have had a steady hand back than, we were all too stoned for that kind of accuracy, preferred to use the triangular scale to shoot rubber bands at our team mates to wake them up from their cat naps...ahh those memories, can't get rid of them no matter how hard I try. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1221 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:51 pm:    Lynn, thanks for the link, something to save for future use, but I don't know if I'd ever specify the glueboard flytraps though. Michael Heinsdorf, P.E. Senior Member Username: michael_heinsdorf_pe Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2014 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:54 pm:    Take a rubber band, stretch it between your index finger and thumb of your non-dominant hand, with the rubber band just below the tip of your index finger. With your dominant thumb and index finger, grab the rubber band halfway between the index finger and thumb on the open side of the hand. Drop your non-dominant thumb. One side will be taut, the other loose. Aim and fire. Surprisingly accurate and with the right rubber band, quite painful. Learned that in the first five minutes of my first co-op. Then got sent downstairs for the first and only time I made blue lines... Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1222 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:55 pm:    Curtis, for several semesters in Grad School I ran the department's blueprint machine for College Staff and for students, I was paid via a grant and by the students, it was an okay gig, except for the lack of ventilation, I am pretty sure that is how my sense of smell got compromised. Michael J. King, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: mking Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 02:57 pm:    I like to stay in touch with posts on 4Specs, but when ridiculous posts like this keep hitting my e-mail, it makes me what to cancel my connection. Please stop. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1931 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:00 pm:    Curt, is it the memory of the smell or the loss of brain cells that never goes away? I have a cartoon that shows a different use for a triangle. A student is standing at a drawing table; an instructor is lying on his back on the floor with a large triangle protruding out of his chest. The student is saying "Revise THAT!" My brother taught me the rubber band gun thingy, but just with the fore finger and thumb. You just lowered the thumb to shoot. Of course, being the little sister, I learned it from the shootee end, not the shooter end. Sorry, Michael, last one from me on this thread. Curt Norton, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: curtn Post Number: 192 Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:03 pm:    Jerome - I think my experience was different due to an incident in college chemistry. I accidentally took a big whiff of a beaker full of concentrated ammonia, thinking it was water (I actually knew the right way to do it, but...). It nearly knocked me out and left me with a burning sensation in my nose for hours. Ammonia became even less appealing after that. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1223 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:10 pm:    Lynn, I did specify a mosquito deterrent device once on a condominium long ago, I can't find the spec now and don't recall the manufacturer, but the chief complaints among residents was the zapping sound and the smell. After that job I stopped specifying Bug Zappers, considered them FF&E items. Curt Norton, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: curtn Post Number: 193 Registered: 06-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:19 pm:    Michael - Sorry, no more from me either. I didn't see your post when my last one was entered. This really is more appropriate for "water cooler" But as long as I'm posting, someone shared this with me directly... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelling_salts Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1932 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 03:49 pm:    Back on topic: We're trying to convince the Owner to purchase rather than incur the additional mark-up the contractor will undoubtedly add. Even though this particular one is a step up from a hand-held, it's a plug-and-play kind of thing. We'd provide the recess and the power source, and let their maintenance / facility people take it from there. We typically do specify diatomaceous earth as an insect deterrent for many of the labs we do, but that's different; it's part of the foundation / structural systems. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1224 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 05:37 pm:    Where do you specify "diatomaceous earth", under Pest Control? Guest (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Friday, November 21, 2014 - 11:30 pm:    Do you intend to write a detailed performance spec section? Otherwise, like a piece of manufactured equipment, just specify model number...and maybe salient features...and be done! J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 789 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Saturday, November 22, 2014 - 08:44 am:    I am surprised that no one has suggested that it be specified as an electrical fixture, maybe a specialized lighting fixture. This would a especially appropriate if the thing is "hard wired" instead of plugged into an electrical outlet. I really like te FF&E approach. If I specify it as part of the building, I have to make sure the connections are secure and meet wind load or seismic requirements as appropriate. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1933 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, November 25, 2014 - 04:01 pm:    Jerome, yes, Division 10 Pest Control. Peter, we're working on that route.