Illuminated Handrails

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Author Message Ronald J. Ray, RA, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: rjray Post Number: 131 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 10:34 am:    I can't seem to find a narrow scope section number and title for illuminated handrails. From the limited information I can find, it is probably 05736_. Also, if anyone has a section they would care to share, I would appreciate it. ronald-ray@sbcglobal.net Thanks Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: nwoods Post Number: 610 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 11:49 am:    I had a frustrating public bid job with exterior stainless steel illuminated handrails. Though the light fixture schedule clearly called them out, but they were specified in Division 5, so the electrician excluded them. It is likely the electrical contractor will be the installer, so I suggest specifying them accordingly. Yes, I know that entire thought process is fundamentally wrong. But if you can help the poor architect during the CA phase, we'd all appreciate it. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1913 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 12:16 pm:    There's an ArchiteXt's cartoon that addresses this from 08-23-13. http://architexts.us/ "Construction Administration: Details". Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 810 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 12:24 pm:    http://architexts.us/2013/08/23/construction-administration-details/ Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1278 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 12:31 pm:    Nathan, if the electrical drawings show a circuit to the illuminated handrails, the electrical sub should not have left them out--unless the issue was specifically the installation of he illuminated handrails, themselves. If that was the case, then a reference to the illuminated handrails section from the interior or exterior light section may be appropriate. As for Ronald's question (great name, by the way), Section 05 73 23 "Illuminated Decorative Metal Railings" would be an option. Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: nwoods Post Number: 611 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 12:31 pm:    Bingo! However, in my case, the Owner's Division 1 had a lovely clause about the hierarchy of documents, putting the spec above the drawings. The Lying, Cheating, Scoundrel Public Bid Contractor used that to great effect on this project. Nathan Woods, CSI, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: nwoods Post Number: 612 Registered: 08-2005 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 12:33 pm:    Trust me Ron, I argued rigorously and righteously. But in this case, the Owner and contractor shared a....lets call it a "shared country of origin allegiance" that trumped right and wrong. J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 786 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 04:15 pm:    I will also say that there is the doctrine of unjust enrichment. The Owner pays for what he gets, and if the Contractor really didn't included that in his original bid, he probably should get paid for it. The critical problem is how to prove that the Contractor did not include it. I wonder how many times the Contractor gets paid twice for doing the same crappy work. Oops; did I really say that? J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 787 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 04:15 pm:    I have come to the conclusion that there is a time in CA to be reasonable and professional; there is also a time to jump up and down and cuss and scream. If the Contractor gets to do it, why not the Architect? Guess that's why they don't let me go to meetings. It is on the Drawings and in the specs so what does the Contractor always get to pick and choose what parts of the Work required he does and which parts he doesn't? Some Owners get this, but a lot don't. Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 01:43 pm:    Keep in mind that some manufactured illuminated handrails do not meet ADA requirements regarding profile and size.