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Brian Payne, AIA
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Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 01:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

How has anyone handled the situation where a rated partition intersects through a steel column. I know that the UL rated wall doesn't technically allow for the "widening" of the wall to encapsulate the fireproofed column in a gyp column enclosure, but I have always done this. One suggestion I have been presented with is specifying shaftwall for one side of the partition as it passes the column. Thoughts?
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 11:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Brian:

There are possibly two issues here.

The first issue is if the column is required to be protected. If it is, then it must be separately protected and cannot rely on the fire-rated construction of the wall to protect the column.

The second issue, which is a concern whether or not the column is required to be protected, is the the method of surrounding the column with construction that meets the required fire-resistance rating. You can use any approved assembly for the wall, obviously, but at the point where the wall intersects the column, the integrity of the selected wall assembly is violated by the intrusion of the column. To overcome this, you need to select another assembly. For this, I would recommend one of the generic chase wall assemblies in GA-600, which are prescriptively approved by the IBC, or a similar assembly in UL's directory. The chase wall will surround the column and the fire-rated wall will infill between the columns.
Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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ken hercenberg
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 12:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ron, I still run into Building Code officials who don't recognize GA-600 per se. Make sure the official you're dealing with understands that the testing agencies listed in GA-600 typically meet Code requirements for approved testing labs. At least they don't usually try to limit us to UL anymore.
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ken, unless they specifically modify the IBC to delete GA-600, they cannot reject an assembly in that document if it is one that is marked as "GENERIC."

Footnote 'o' of Table 721.1(2) of the 2012 IBC specifically allows the use of GA-600. The edition of GA-600 is dependent on the edition of the IBC that is adopted (See Chapter 35 of the adopted IBC to see which edition of GA-600 is permitted).
Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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ken hercenberg
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Thanks Ron. I'll have to thumbtack that to the Code official's forehead next time this comes up.
Brian Payne, AIA
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ron, In the typical situation that we come across the column would be independently fireproofed if required.

The chase wall technique seems to make sense, but I think I would have a hard time convincing the project teams I work with to go through the trouble. Especially since that in Revit the "wall" would really only be half of the chase wall assembly so that you can enclose each individual condition.

I guess if we ever got called out on the issue I might change my opinion, but as of today, we have never had any AHJ bring up the issue.
Edward J Dueppen, RA, CSI, CCS, LEED AP
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

If the column rating matches or exceeds the wall/partition fire-rating, I have butted the wall to the sides of the column and applied a fire-resistive joint system between them. I have never had anyone object to this, but then again maybe no one reviewing it ever noticed it.
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 02:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ed, that would work if the column is individually protected using a gypsum board fireproofing method or concrete or masonry encasement method. However, it won't work with spray-applied fireproofing.

The steel column fireproofing must be continuous on all sides for the full height of the column, including connections. The code isn't clear if the same material must be used for the full height, but I've seen building officials disallow changing materials. On the other hand, I had a building official accept the use of intumescent fireproofing for a portion of a column that was to be covered by a close-fitting column cover where the typical spray-applied fireproofing used everywhere else would have been too thick.
Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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ken hercenberg
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Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 04:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ron, my understanding is that some manufacturers have tested transitions from intu to typical spray applied and actually dictate which has to be applied first, how it is to be prepped to receive the other, etc. I don't remember which ones but I'm pretty sure Carboline was one since they make both. I don't recall ever seeing it in any publications showing tested assemblies (as in UL). Have you come across this?
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 10:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ken, I have not come across this. I'll have to do a little bit of research on this issue when time allows it. Thanks.
Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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