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djwyatt (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 09:26 am: |    |
The 4specs discussion forum has always been for me a good place to gather consensus and solid professional opinions.
Plastic laminate cladding is classified in several divisions of MasterFormat. To help the architects in my office, I would like to specify the technical aspects of plastic laminate sheet in a single section, to which other sections could refer.
Division 09 seems like a logical place to start, since it serves as a finish per se.
Am I thinking straight about this?
Thank you for any suggestions the 4specs contributors may have. |
Dave Metzger
Senior Member
Username: davemetzger
Post Number: 457
Registered: 07-2001
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 09:46 am: | |
I'd put it in Division 06, David. You're looking to specify the technical aspects of plastic laminate sheet as a material, rather than as a component of cladding, or casework, or countertops, and so I think Division 06 is a better location for this.
Now as to where in Division 06 (or Division 09 for that matter), is another question. You're looking to specify a material, not a work result, and MasterFormat has not made that easy. I think a new section within 060500 Common Work Results for Wood, Plastics, and Composites is as good as any, since it will be referred to from other sections. I don't see a logical home for this elsewhere in Division 06, although I usually specify plastic laminate in Architectural Woodwork, but it has not been referred to from other sections. |
djwyatt (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 10:13 am: | |
Dave Metzger:
Thank you for the recommendation.
To situate plastic laminate in the most logical and practical place, I tried to compare it to something else. What is it like? Like wood veneer, it gets applied to several types of things in different ways. Yet, wood veneer doesn't have its own distinct place either.
Your point that it is a material rather than a work result underscores this mild dilemma.
I think your reasoning is sound regarding Division 06 and I will work in that direction.
Thank you for your time. |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
Senior Member
Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1508
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 10:26 am: | |
I don't mind having the technical aspects of plastic laminate repeated in each section where it is used, primarily because such a reference is usually quite short and simple, relying on the NEMA standard. However, I do agree that Division 06 is the happiest home for it. |
J. Peter Jordan
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Username: jpjordan
Post Number: 574
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 10:28 am: | |
Decorative plastic laminate is one of those almost ubiquitous products that shows up in almost as many Divisions as galvanized steel pipe/tube. Although I understand David's desire to "say it once and say it in the right place", the fact remains that cross-referencing to a common section in Division 06 (or 09) from sections in Divisions 06, 08, 10, 11, and 12, can become a bit of a coordination headache. This is compounded by the fact that performance specification may be somewhat different in each section.
To continue the analogy with galvanized steel pipe: are you really going to do a Division 05 section on galvanized steel pipe to be used in railings, columns, domestic cold water piping, and landscape irrigation pipe?
Concentrating on "work results" not "products" does lead to some duplication, but it is easier for those using the Project Manual if that is kept in mind. |
Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS
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Username: wilsonconsulting
Post Number: 102
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 10:32 am: | |
Although it might be tempting to try for a single location for plam since it can be used in multiple applications, I would argue against this approach. It will almost certainly complicate the user's tasks. Plam is typically integral to custom casework assemblies in Div 06 or manufactured casework in Div 12, and product attributes are likely to be different for each application. I live w/ the redundancy in favor of keeping components of the assemblies together in each spec section. |
djwyatt (Unregistered Guest)
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| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 12:35 pm: | |
Thanks, all of you, for the responses.
I suppose my way of thinking on this could lead me eventually to attempting a section on fasteners! Next stop: Bedlam. |
Karen L. Zaterman, CCS, LEED-AP, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: kittiz
Post Number: 104
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2013 - 01:01 pm: | |
We all are so tempted to do this, tho! It comes from being detail-oriented, a trait so necessary for specifying well.
In the case Colin brought up, I finally ended up specifying the galvanizing process in div 05 (when to quench and when not to) then referencing that Section in all the rest.
Karen L. Zaterman, CSI, CCS, SCIP-Affil, LEED AP BD+C
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