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Author Message Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI, CDT Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 1266 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 10:34 am:    Projet is publically owned parking garage located above private owned retail; and with private retail, etc above the garage. What should the front-end and general condtions [etc.] look like for just the public portion segment of the project? Any standardized documents available? The mulitple ownerships obviously create weird relationships and oblication-- can you help by citing them and offering solution? Thank you very much Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 403 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 12:11 pm:    Ralph: Are the various portions of the project being built under a single contract, by a single general contractor? Or separate contracts? Will the garage be built with the government entity as the owner? Or by a private developer and then turned over to the government? What about as prosaic a matter as building structure--do the columns that extend from the footings upward change ownership depending which floor they are on? What about exit stairs? Getting answers to questions such as these may help to point the way for the Division 00 documents and Division 01 sections. Robert W. Johnson Senior Member Username: robert_w_johnson Post Number: 165 Registered: 03-2009 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 12:22 pm:    I have done several projects of this type, both as a consultant and as a owner's representative. The big question is the agreement between the public owner and the private owner regarding the construction of the project. Does the public owner agree to have the private owner have the project constructed? In that case, which I think is most common at least in my experience, the front-end documents are normal for the private owner, except that they may contain some special public owner requirements concerning compliance with certain public rules, regulations, and policies. The public portion garage will also have special specification requirements. The specifications should be clear as to what applies to where. Another question is the constrction contract administration of the public portion. If the public owner is to participate in that, the rights and responsibilities of the parties need to be defined in the contract documents. Early in my career I worked for a school district directing the design/construction program. We built a new high school including an auditorium. The city needed a large auditorium for traveling performances. The school district agreed to build a larger better equiped auditorium with an additional contribution from the city. They then defined that part of the facility as a separate jointly owned legal property. The agreement was for the school district to construct and manage the facility maintenance. During the design and construction, I was reporting to political bodies - that was fun. I am happy to report that 30 years later it is still a successful facility for the benefit of the total community. David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1252 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 05:08 pm:    Ralph, I am currently sitting in an office building that is privately owned that was built on top of a publicly owned parking garage with privately leased tenant space on the first floor. That is the simple explanation! Did you see Dennis Kabba's talk at CSI in Chicago? He explained the complicated scenario in his seminar. It's also a LEED platinum building! Dennis wrote the specifications (since I had not joined the firm yet) and he did most of the CA work. You can contact him at dkabba@blrb.com or 253-627-5599.