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Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 143 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 11:56 am: | |
Today we have an Architect who wants cast in place stone on his project. Is that Division 03 or 04? |
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1310 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 12:08 pm: | |
Maybe it's similar to Harry Potter's track (9-3/4) and it's in Division 03-3/4? |
Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger
Post Number: 400 Registered: 07-2001
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 01:35 pm: | |
There's Liquid Nails and Liquid Boot, so why not Liquid Stone? |
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat
Post Number: 446 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 02:00 pm: | |
I recently discovered that Liquid Boot isn't around anymore. |
Mark Gilligan SE, Senior Member Username: mark_gilligan
Post Number: 417 Registered: 10-2007
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 02:15 pm: | |
An internet search suggests that we are talking about concrete cast to look like stones. They appear to either use a stamping technique or form liners. Thus we would probably address this in the cast in place concrete section or an architectural concrete section. If the element also serves a structural role it will be necessary to coordinate the mix design requirements with the structural engineer. |
Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe
Post Number: 511 Registered: 01-2003
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 03:18 pm: | |
Too serious, Mark. ;-) |
Phil Kabza Senior Member Username: phil_kabza
Post Number: 484 Registered: 12-2002
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 03:42 pm: | |
Right. Isn't all stone originally cast-in-place? |
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1311 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 03:52 pm: | |
Originally stone probably was all liquid! |
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding
Post Number: 607 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 05:42 pm: | |
"Specs are made by you that moan, But only God can cast a stone." (with sincere apologies to Joyce Kilmer) or... Let (s)he among you who is without fault cast-in-place the first stone." (with even sincerer apologies to God.) George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies St. Louis, MO |
G.O.D. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 07:54 pm: | |
No apology necessary, George. Of course I monitor this forum. |
a (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 04:39 pm: | |
Why not use Cast Stone Masonry - Div 04 72 00? |
anon (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest
| Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 06:00 pm: | |
I have been asked on more than one occasion to specify ceramic fritted annealed glass. |
Tim Werbstein, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: tim_werbstein
Post Number: 46 Registered: 09-2006
| Posted on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 07:31 am: | |
I was asked to specify a floor tile--a change to the design. The designer FAXED an image of the face of the tile for my information, without any other data. Of course, I emailed back that I'd be glad to add this slightly mottled, matte gray tile to the spec. Quick as a bunny, the designer called me to say, "What do you mean? It's a bright red, glazed tile!" |
Richard Hird (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest
| Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 10:45 am: | |
I was once directed by a client's interior designer to use the same tile as used in the Miami Fl Airport. I live in Ohio, have no expense account, and suspect there are lots of tiles in various parts of the Miami Airport. I put in the specs a tile allowance, large enough to cover any tile plus a trip and weekend for two (Contractor and Designer) in Miami Contractor never thanked me! |
Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre
Post Number: 1202 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 07:37 pm: | |
as for the "cast in place stone" -- are you sure they didn't mean "cast stone"? I also got the same faxed "information" as Tim Webstein, except that in my case it was a black and white fax of a backing. Carpet backings are scintillating enough in color, but as a black and white fax, they are positively thrilling to behold. |
ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 91 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:32 am: | |
Just the fax ma'am. Does anyone actually still use fax machines? We don't even list our fax number on our business cards anymore. I'm waiting till I have to start listing my twitter, facebook, linkedin, etc. addresses in addition to email, Pretty soon we'll be handing out mini-disks or flash drives instead of cards. Actually a few manufacturers and reps have already started doing that. |
Paul Gerber Senior Member Username: paulgerber
Post Number: 80 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:36 am: | |
We cancelled our fax lines 2.5 years ago! And I don't miss them one little bit!! Our specs may still be in MF95 format, but we're right there with some technology!! LOL Ride it like you stole it!!! |
Justatim Senior Member Username: justatim
Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:41 am: | |
WE still use a fax machine--many companies we deal with still need that access. Now, getting back to my typewriter... |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1318 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 10:16 am: | |
Wait - without a fax machine, how do you get color chart submittals? |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1341 Registered: 03-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 10:50 am: | |
My old office had a fax for sending (rarely used), but all incoming faxes went to a special email account. Each fax was forwarded (by an assistant) to the recipient as a scan via email. Pretty much everyone nowadays would simply send a PDF via email instead of a fax. Since most applications can create a PDF, it was easy. And the copiers can scan if it was paper. |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1323 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 11:27 am: | |
Just wait for the 3D copiers...or crazy technologies like electronic printers that actually print food...no more vending machines (these are actually in development) |
John McGrann Senior Member Username: jmcgrann
Post Number: 82 Registered: 03-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 11:53 am: | |
"Bioprinting" using DNA from the patient dosen't seem that far away. I don't think anyone is working on bioscanning or biofaxing. John T. McGrann, Jr., AIA, CSI, CCS, LEED AP
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Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1324 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 12:18 pm: | |
Here's where the "print food" quote is from: http://dsc.discovery.com/energy/food-agriculture/how-technology-innovation-feed-planet.html |
Onlyatim Senior Member Username: justatim
Post Number: 23 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 01:51 pm: | |
Yum! That steak printout looks delicious--tastes just like cellulose. And may I have a second helping of the ice cream photo? |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: redseca2
Post Number: 298 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 01:57 pm: | |
Before the real start of the internet, I had an Apple computer in the late '80's that had a dial up phone connection. I would "talk" to friends with similar computers by composing messages in MSWord and sending them as faxes that they could open on their desktop. By "before the real start of the internet" I mean this all happended at late '80's direct dial long distance call pricing, there was no local dial-up number involved. When a beloved cat of ours that all our friends knew well passed away, I sent out a fax message saying "Victor ist Todt!" in large gothic script. Intended for a friend, this came into the general fax line of a very major monthly magazine named after the city it was located in on the Hudson River. What I later heard was that it was scooped up by Admin and taken to HR, which arranged for a grief counselor to break the news to my friend, at which point he burst out laughing, which they felt was somehow inappropriate. |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1325 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 02:42 pm: | |
Steve, that's priceless! I can't stop giggling... |
Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin
Post Number: 374 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 05:27 pm: | |
Today, I got to specify 28-foot tall pink flamingos. And people ask me if my job gets boring...never! |
ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 93 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 05:40 pm: | |
I'd be interested to see the house whose front yard they're going to decorate. Very popular practice in Baltimore, Hon. Not much chance of anyone stealing those birds. |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 147 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 08:10 pm: | |
Robin: Oh, I am so jealous! I'm guessing, Las Vegas? How many will there be? Full size mockups too? |
Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin
Post Number: 375 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 08:47 pm: | |
4 Giant Flamingos and and even bigger Palm Tree. Yep- Vegas - at the remodeled entrance to a casino. 50 cents if you can guess which one :-) |
Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger
Post Number: 405 Registered: 07-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 10:04 pm: | |
Um, let's see--the Flamingo? |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1342 Registered: 03-2002
| Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 10:28 am: | |
Sad to say that the manufacturer of the infamous plastic pink flamingo, which was located (ironically, since a flamingo would never get within a thousand miles of here) in Massachusetts, has gone out of business. Central Mass used to be a very large center of plastics manufacturing starting from the invention of the material. Like other manufacturing areas, most of it is gone now. |
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1339 Registered: 07-2002
| Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 11:15 am: | |
"Whad'Ya Know", the Michael Feldman quiz show on public radio, used to give the flamingos away as a prize. Probably NOT the 28 foot tall ones, though. |
Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 499 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 05:09 pm: | |
Liquid Boot is now a CETCO company |
ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 106 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:09 am: | |
Hi Wayne. Not sure if you meant to post that in this discussion but LBI was bought by CETCO and American Permaquik was bought by Tremco, both of whom immediately took the products off the architectural market. I guess it was a convenient way to eliminate the competition they posed against bentonite 'waterproofing'. The only bituminous emulsions I've found that seem at least somewhat comparable to LBI are from Epro and AVM (Aussie II) both of whom are listed here - http://www.4specs.com/s/07/07-1400.html. Koster has one available in Europe and is considering bringing it to North America. |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 155 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:44 am: | |
Ken, I have a project in bidding right now which specifies Liquid Boot from CETCO for a methane barrier and venting system. The Geotechnical Consultant has been working with the manufacturer on it; they are trying to get the government agency to bid it as a proprietary product. - |
Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 500 Registered: 01-2008
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:47 am: | |
Cetco markets Liquid Boot under their Remediation Technologies as "Liquid Boot Gass Vapor Barriers" Liquid Boot® is a cold, spray-applied, water-based membrane containing no VOCs, which provides a seamless, impermeable barrier against vapor intrusion into structures. Liquid Boot is sprayed-applied directly to penetrations, footings, grade beams, pile caps, etc., providing a fully-adhered gas vapor barrier system. |
ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2006
| Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:54 am: | |
Yep, like I said, it's no longer available as a blind-side or underslab 'Architectural' waterproofing system. I used to use LBI and Permaquik 6200 as my default systems for those conditions. I'm not sure whether AVM or Epro have done the testing for methane gas containment such as that required in Los Angeles. I thought the Permaquik 6200 that Tremco bought had undergone testing as a gas vapor barrier. Please let me know if you need a contact. |