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Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
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Username: lgoodrob

Post Number: 143
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 11:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Today we have an Architect who wants cast in place stone on his project. Is that Division 03 or 04?
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1310
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 12:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Maybe it's similar to Harry Potter's track (9-3/4) and it's in Division 03-3/4?
Dave Metzger
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Username: davemetzger

Post Number: 400
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 01:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

There's Liquid Nails and Liquid Boot, so why not Liquid Stone?
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS
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Username: rlmat

Post Number: 446
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 02:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I recently discovered that Liquid Boot isn't around anymore.
Mark Gilligan SE,
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Username: mark_gilligan

Post Number: 417
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 02:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

An internet search suggests that we are talking about concrete cast to look like stones. They appear to either use a stamping technique or form liners.

Thus we would probably address this in the cast in place concrete section or an architectural concrete section. If the element also serves a structural role it will be necessary to coordinate the mix design requirements with the structural engineer.
Sheldon Wolfe
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Username: sheldon_wolfe

Post Number: 511
Registered: 01-2003


Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 03:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Too serious, Mark. ;-)
Phil Kabza
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Username: phil_kabza

Post Number: 484
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 03:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Right.

Isn't all stone originally cast-in-place?
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1311
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 03:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Originally stone probably was all liquid!
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
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Username: geverding

Post Number: 607
Registered: 11-2004


Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 05:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

"Specs are made by you that moan,
But only God can cast a stone."
(with sincere apologies to Joyce Kilmer)

or...

Let (s)he among you who is without fault cast-in-place the first stone."
(with even sincerer apologies to God.)
George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA
Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies
St. Louis, MO
G.O.D. (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 07:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

No apology necessary, George.

Of course I monitor this forum.
a (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 04:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Why not use Cast Stone Masonry - Div 04 72 00?
anon (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 06:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I have been asked on more than one occasion to specify ceramic fritted annealed glass.
Tim Werbstein, AIA, CSI, CCS
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Username: tim_werbstein

Post Number: 46
Registered: 09-2006
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 07:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I was asked to specify a floor tile--a change to the design. The designer FAXED an image of the face of the tile for my information, without any other data.

Of course, I emailed back that I'd be glad to add this slightly mottled, matte gray tile to the spec.

Quick as a bunny, the designer called me to say, "What do you mean? It's a bright red, glazed tile!"
Richard Hird (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Sunday, September 11, 2011 - 10:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I was once directed by a client's interior designer to use the same tile as used in the Miami Fl Airport. I live in Ohio, have no expense account, and suspect there are lots of tiles in various parts of the Miami Airport.

I put in the specs a tile allowance, large enough to cover any tile plus a trip and weekend for two (Contractor and Designer) in Miami

Contractor never thanked me!
Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS
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Username: awhitacre

Post Number: 1202
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 07:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

as for the "cast in place stone" -- are you sure they didn't mean "cast stone"?

I also got the same faxed "information" as Tim Webstein, except that in my case it was a black and white fax of a backing. Carpet backings are scintillating enough in color, but as a black and white fax, they are positively thrilling to behold.
ken hercenberg
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Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 91
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Just the fax ma'am. Does anyone actually still use fax machines? We don't even list our fax number on our business cards anymore. I'm waiting till I have to start listing my twitter, facebook, linkedin, etc. addresses in addition to email, Pretty soon we'll be handing out mini-disks or flash drives instead of cards. Actually a few manufacturers and reps have already started doing that.
Paul Gerber
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Username: paulgerber

Post Number: 80
Registered: 04-2010


Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

We cancelled our fax lines 2.5 years ago! And I don't miss them one little bit!!

Our specs may still be in MF95 format, but we're right there with some technology!! LOL
Ride it like you stole it!!!
Justatim
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Username: justatim

Post Number: 22
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 09:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

WE still use a fax machine--many companies we deal with still need that access.

Now, getting back to my typewriter...
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1318
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, October 14, 2011 - 10:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Wait - without a fax machine, how do you get color chart submittals?
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: bunzick

Post Number: 1341
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 10:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

My old office had a fax for sending (rarely used), but all incoming faxes went to a special email account. Each fax was forwarded (by an assistant) to the recipient as a scan via email. Pretty much everyone nowadays would simply send a PDF via email instead of a fax. Since most applications can create a PDF, it was easy. And the copiers can scan if it was paper.
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1323
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 11:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Just wait for the 3D copiers...or crazy technologies like electronic printers that actually print food...no more vending machines (these are actually in development)
John McGrann
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Username: jmcgrann

Post Number: 82
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 11:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

"Bioprinting" using DNA from the patient dosen't seem that far away. I don't think anyone is working on bioscanning or biofaxing.
John T. McGrann, Jr., AIA, CSI, CCS, LEED AP
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1324
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 12:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Here's where the "print food" quote is from:

http://dsc.discovery.com/energy/food-agriculture/how-technology-innovation-feed-planet.html
Onlyatim
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Username: justatim

Post Number: 23
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 01:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Yum! That steak printout looks delicious--tastes just like cellulose. And may I have a second helping of the ice cream photo?
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP
Senior Member
Username: redseca2

Post Number: 298
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 01:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Before the real start of the internet, I had an Apple computer in the late '80's that had a dial up phone connection. I would "talk" to friends with similar computers by composing messages in MSWord and sending them as faxes that they could open on their desktop. By "before the real start of the internet" I mean this all happended at late '80's direct dial long distance call pricing, there was no local dial-up number involved.

When a beloved cat of ours that all our friends knew well passed away, I sent out a fax message saying "Victor ist Todt!" in large gothic script.

Intended for a friend, this came into the general fax line of a very major monthly magazine named after the city it was located in on the Hudson River. What I later heard was that it was scooped up by Admin and taken to HR, which arranged for a grief counselor to break the news to my friend, at which point he burst out laughing, which they felt was somehow inappropriate.
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1325
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 02:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Steve, that's priceless! I can't stop giggling...
Robin E. Snyder
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Username: robin

Post Number: 374
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 05:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Today, I got to specify 28-foot tall pink flamingos. And people ask me if my job gets boring...never!
ken hercenberg
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Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 93
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 05:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I'd be interested to see the house whose front yard they're going to decorate. Very popular practice in Baltimore, Hon.

Not much chance of anyone stealing those birds.
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob

Post Number: 147
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 08:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Robin: Oh, I am so jealous! I'm guessing, Las Vegas? How many will there be? Full size mockups too?
Robin E. Snyder
Senior Member
Username: robin

Post Number: 375
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 08:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

4 Giant Flamingos and and even bigger Palm Tree. Yep- Vegas - at the remodeled entrance to a casino. 50 cents if you can guess which one :-)
Dave Metzger
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Username: davemetzger

Post Number: 405
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 - 10:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Um, let's see--the Flamingo?
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: bunzick

Post Number: 1342
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 10:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Sad to say that the manufacturer of the infamous plastic pink flamingo, which was located (ironically, since a flamingo would never get within a thousand miles of here) in Massachusetts, has gone out of business. Central Mass used to be a very large center of plastics manufacturing starting from the invention of the material. Like other manufacturing areas, most of it is gone now.
Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEED® AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 1339
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

"Whad'Ya Know", the Michael Feldman quiz show on public radio, used to give the flamingos away as a prize. Probably NOT the 28 foot tall ones, though.
Wayne Yancey
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Username: wayne_yancey

Post Number: 499
Registered: 01-2008


Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 05:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Liquid Boot is now a CETCO company
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 106
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Hi Wayne. Not sure if you meant to post that in this discussion but LBI was bought by CETCO and American Permaquik was bought by Tremco, both of whom immediately took the products off the architectural market. I guess it was a convenient way to eliminate the competition they posed against bentonite 'waterproofing'. The only bituminous emulsions I've found that seem at least somewhat comparable to LBI are from Epro and AVM (Aussie II) both of whom are listed here - http://www.4specs.com/s/07/07-1400.html. Koster has one available in Europe and is considering bringing it to North America.
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob

Post Number: 155
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ken,
I have a project in bidding right now which specifies Liquid Boot from CETCO for a methane barrier and venting system. The Geotechnical Consultant has been working with the manufacturer on it; they are trying to get the government agency to bid it as a proprietary product.
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Wayne Yancey
Senior Member
Username: wayne_yancey

Post Number: 500
Registered: 01-2008


Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 10:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Cetco markets Liquid Boot under their Remediation Technologies as "Liquid Boot Gass Vapor Barriers"

Liquid Boot® is a cold, spray-applied, water-based membrane containing no VOCs, which provides a seamless, impermeable barrier against vapor intrusion into structures. Liquid Boot is sprayed-applied directly to penetrations, footings, grade beams, pile caps, etc., providing a fully-adhered gas vapor barrier system.
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 107
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 11:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Yep, like I said, it's no longer available as a blind-side or underslab 'Architectural' waterproofing system. I used to use LBI and Permaquik 6200 as my default systems for those conditions. I'm not sure whether AVM or Epro have done the testing for methane gas containment such as that required in Los Angeles. I thought the Permaquik 6200 that Tremco bought had undergone testing as a gas vapor barrier. Please let me know if you need a contact.

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