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Author Message Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 111 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 07:05 pm:    I have new project in FLA and I do not experience with what is best practice for exterior glass protection for a one story commercial building. Exterior wall will be insulated precast tilt-up panels (sandwich) and double T precast roof deck/topping/FMG FM-120 roof system. shutters in their various forms (roll, accordion)? Impact resistant IGU with laminated glass on the outboard light / 1/2" air space / monolithic glass for inboard light (M-D Cty labelled)? Film(s)? Found this statement online: "DADE COUNTY CODE STANDARDS FOR HURRICANE PROTECTION Since Hurricane Andrew, new building codes and requirements have been mandated and are active in many states to provide better hurricane protection for property, possessions and family. New building codes and requirements have been enacted in several states. The Florida Building Code that went into effect on March 1, 2002, means much more strict requirements for homeowners and builders. Builders in coastal counties will be required to strengthen houses to withstand winds of 110 to 150 miles per hour depending on approved hurricane shutters or impact resistant windows and Impact doors for Hurricane Protection. Make sure your hurricane shutters, hurricane windows, and impact doors meet all code requirements so you and your family can have proper hurricane protection." Thanks Wayne Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 588 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2008 - 08:19 pm:    Wayne Where in Florida? What will building be used for? If you spec impact glass, why would u need shutters? Roll up or sectional doors in galv steel have product approval. Also be aware the current code is FBC 2004 and on Mar 1, the 2007 FBC goes into effect. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 975 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 09:23 am:    Jerome is right. If the project is within the coastal hurricane zone (defined in the code) you will need to have either hurricane shutters, or missile-impact-tested fenestration. In either case, the fenestration products will need to meet pretty high wind speed requirements that prevail across the state. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 589 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 09:32 am:    Wayne, try googling "Florida Wind Zone Map" that will show you roughly which areas must meet the higher wind zones and you need to contact the municipality's CBO to confirm what wind speed they are permitting for, the CBO in Florida makes the ultimate decision. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 590 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:05 am:    Wayne - Recommended Reading: http://www.aamanet.org/upload/CodeArena_5_06.pdf http://www.boaf.net/pdf/PAGuidelines-Final.pdf Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 112 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:35 am:    I have to come clean. The client is in FLA but the project is in Atlanta. The client wants to impliment the equal of Miami-Dade County requirements for hurricane protection of the glazing. The project is a mission critical facility that operates 24/7, 365. The quantity of roll shutters or overhead coiling doors seem cost prohibitive. We do other projects in FLA that are not as misision critical that have used IGUs consisting of consist of two identical panes of laminated glass that in turn consists of two identical plies of regular, heat strengthened or fully tempered glass (perscriptive method as described in the AAMA article proivded by Jerome). Thanks. Glass it is. Jerome, your information will serve us well for future FLA and Texas projects. I will share it with my spec group. We also have offices in Dallas and Houston. Wayne Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 591 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 10:49 am:    Wayne, you have a wise client, I have a buddy, a WP consultant who has spent the past week in Galveston/Houston doing some insurance inspections, from his stories its amazing how little respect is given to the fury of hurricanes in that area, we know this all too well in South Florida. BTW, I strongly recommend getting a Florida based WP consultant on your team for future FL work, we are seeing more and more mold issues due to stucco delamination and improper WP & Roof installations; for the extra $$, the extra set of eyes to review documents can't be beat, it amazes us how to this day, our clients continue to assume that the WP they used on one building can be copied for another. Good luck on your Atlanta project. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 113 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:22 am:    Jerome, Our WP consultant of choice in Seattle is Morrison Hershfield who also have offices and WP consulting services in Atlanta headed up by Chris Norris and offices in Florida. Please forward the contact name / firm name of your WP consultant buddy based in Florida. Thanks for your assistance. Wayne Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 592 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:31 am:    As a point of note, I've worked with many non-Florida based consultants in the past, and 90% of the time I have to instruct them on the uniqueness of Florida Construction, it does get old and frustrating when they undoubtably know much more than I, the last one adamant that the only way to get stucco to bond to masonry block was to use metal lath, on the ocean no less, ROFLOL. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 593 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:32 am:    Wayne What is your email address? Russell W. Wood, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: woodr5678 Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2003 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:39 am:    With all due respect...we've had clients in the past wanting to build to Dade Product Approval levels, but in the end they just couldn't afford it. So we always had to scale down. And I'm talking in central or northern Florida. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 114 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Friday, October 03, 2008 - 11:57 am:    wayne.yancey@callison.com