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Robin E. Snyder
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Username: robin

Post Number: 350
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 04:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Has anyone written specifications for projects in Italy? If so, I would love to chat before I submit a proposal on a project. Thanks! Robin@spectraspecs.com
Wayne Yancey
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Username: wayne_yancey

Post Number: 400
Registered: 01-2008


Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 04:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Momma mia. Noa.

But use A4 paper and metric units.

Ciao baby.
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS
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Username: rlmat

Post Number: 406
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 04:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Better learn Italian too or hire a translator.

If your prospective client doesn't have a collaboration with a local italian firm, make sure they've done projects over there before.
Robin E. Snyder
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Username: robin

Post Number: 351
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 04:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Rich - A local architect is the AOR, but my local client would be responsible for preparing the project manual. Can you be more specific about your concern? I want to make sure I think of everything.
Nathan Woods, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: nwoods

Post Number: 377
Registered: 08-2005


Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 04:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I can image the front end section on How to Use this Manual...

http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/simple_hand_gestures_to_control_your_tv.php
Wayne Yancey
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Username: wayne_yancey

Post Number: 401
Registered: 01-2008


Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Robin,

Italy, like the UK, are members of the ECM (European Common Market). The UK does not use anything like MaterFormat, SectionFormat and PageFormat. Is the CSI project manual format accepted in Italy? Perhaps if Ann Whitacre is reading these posts, she can provide some advice. Her former employer in SoCAL did projects all over the world. The best I can do is provide an example of a PM formated for a UK project. UK projects reference both BS and EN standards. No ASTM or ANSI or UL, etc.
Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: rlmat

Post Number: 407
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Robin,

As long as there is a local Italian firm involved, they are the best resource.

I have worked on Projects in Singapore and Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

The locals were very helpful in the selection of materials ( especially local materials)and construction procedures and construction terminology which will be somewhat different from the US in many instances
Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS
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Username: awhitacre

Post Number: 1094
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 05:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Hi - I am reading this post, but I can say that for overseas (read: Germany, Switzerland) projects, we prepared basis of design documents and scoping documents for subcontracts. These were written as Design Guidelines and were much more like PPDs rather than a typical project manual.
The local practice in those countries does not include a project manual because most of what we would usually specify was part of the building code or the local energy codes.
You will need to find out EXACTLY what your client wants for documentation and it may not be anything like a project manual.
In addition, you will need to have an association with a local (ie, Italian) architect who will take the lead on anything code related, inspection related and project management related.
I would not assume that they want a project manual.. unless the project is being built by a US contractor who wants one just because it is familiar. And, even if they do want one, it may not mean anything legally.
and as Wayne indicates, you will need to find out the local accepted standards. In AbuDhabi, they preferred DIN standards, and thats what we used in Germany and Switzerland.
Sheldon Wolfe
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Username: sheldon_wolfe

Post Number: 461
Registered: 01-2003


Posted on Monday, January 03, 2011 - 08:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

If you're going on a field trip, I'd love to go along...

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