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Dennis C. Elrod, AIA
Senior Member
Username: delrodtn
Post Number: 7
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 03:20 pm: |    |
We have a University project where we are repairing and re-painting existing solid core wood doors and hardware. As a recently appointed spec writer, but seasoned architect, I'm not sure where this should go in the MF04 Sections. I assume it would be in 08 01 00. Can anyone shed light on this, and if you have a spec section you'd like to share as a guide, I would greatly appreciate it. I don't find anything on Arcom's site.
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA |
Helaine K. Robinson CSI CCS CCCA SCIP
Senior Member
Username: hollyrob
Post Number: 367
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 03:23 pm: | |
There is a book titled "Repairing and Extending Doors and Windows" by H. Leslie Simmons AIA CSI which may be helpful. |
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 1071
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 03:46 pm: | |
Are there any new doors or hardware on the project? If so, you can put the information in those sections. "Summary of Work: painting of new and existing wood doors." "Summary of Work: removal, repair and reinstallation of hardware" or something like that.
If there are no new ones, you could put the re-painting in a painting/staining section.
If there is no new hardware, I think you'd have to create a maintenance section with a number something like 08 10 78. Call a friendly hardware consultant and ask about the repair work. It might be less costly to replace, depending on what hardware you're dealing with. |
Wayne Yancey
Senior Member
Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 343
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:08 pm: | |
Specify refurbishing and repainting existing doors in Section 09 21 23 - INTERIOR PAINTING (striping, repair, priming, top coats whether shop or field applied).
If new hardware required to replace or supplement existing, place sets in 08 71 00 - DOOR HARDWARE.
Not certain who will prep doors for new hardware but painter can hire a finish carpenter or specialty shop.
Watching This Old House, there always seems to be a specialty contractor who will provide the full meal deal. NE seems to have this expertise. |
Sheldon Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: sheldon_wolfe
Post Number: 416
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 04:26 pm: | |
If the doors are mineral core, pre-1980 or so, the cores could be ACM, and should be tested if the work will involve penetrating the core. |
Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
Senior Member
Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 78
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:15 pm: | |
Dennis,
I like your term "recently appointed spec writer". Is that "appointed" or "annointed"? |
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA
Senior Member
Username: delrodtn
Post Number: 8
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:47 pm: | |
Appointed, annointed...exact same letters except the p's and n's, and the fact that you kneel with one and bend over with the other ;-)
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA |
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA
Senior Member
Username: delrodtn
Post Number: 9
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:48 pm: | |
Sheldon: edumacate me. What is ACM?
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA |
J. Peter Jordan
Senior Member
Username: jpjordan
Post Number: 430
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:48 pm: | |
I have worked on several recent projects where they are getting around to putting levers on the lock/latchset. On older projects, this may not be a simple matter and the entire set may need to be replaced. In some cases, the entire door may need to be scrapped. |
Helaine K. Robinson CSI CCS CCCA SCIP
Senior Member
Username: hollyrob
Post Number: 368
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 05:50 pm: | |
ACM = Asbestos Containing Materials
Dennis, are you a CSI member? If not, suggest you join at csinet.org |
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA
Senior Member
Username: delrodtn
Post Number: 10
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 06:57 pm: | |
Thanks everyone, for your assistance. And, yes, I plan to join CSI in the next few weeks and also gain my CDT and CCS credentials. Louis Medcalf, FCSI, my mentor and close friend recommended it recently, and my co-worker, and former Chapter President, Rob Huserik, has mentioned it several times.
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA |
Helaine K. Robinson CSI CCS CCCA SCIP
Senior Member
Username: hollyrob
Post Number: 369
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 14, 2010 - 07:36 pm: | |
Good! Louis and Rob are friends! |
Tim Werbstein, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: tim_werbstein
Post Number: 26
Registered: 09-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 08:22 am: | |
Dennis,
As you have already discovered with "ACM," specifiers, just like other technical experts, use acronyms/initialisms for frequently used phrases. Sometimes these can have multiple meanings or be totally incomprehensible for those other than the originator; e.g.:
Asbestos Containing/Contaminated Materials
Aluminum Composite Material
Advanced Composite Material
Acoustic Control Material
Aerated Construction Membrane/Material
All China Made
Antiarmor Cluster Munition!
Often specifiers' abbreviations originate in building codes and construction standards, with which we might not all be aware of.
HERE is my more thorough explanation:
Altogether too many people have gotten on an ever enlarging acronym bandwagon (EEAB). This acronym-bandwagon mentality (ABM) assumes that acronym creation (AC) is vitally important to save space in printed matter (SPM) and space in digital imaging (SDI), and that these savings are attended with little or no loss of comprehension (LOC) and are important to world survival (ITWS), perhaps because fewer words means less electric-power generation for lighting (EPGL) and less wood consumption for paper (WCP). That is not the case.
The LOC is greater than recognized (GTR) by acronym pundits (APs). Confusion over an acronym's meaning is often generated by readers who have their own menu of acronyms (MOA) that they feel compelled to use for their own, favorite fields of interest (FFOI). They may be APs themselves. The military has perhaps the greatest ABM and has for very long been the leader in AC. This can only function well within a single field, and functions poorly for widely read or a well informed public (WIP).
As an acronym impaired person (AIP), and I am not alone, the time required to reread text, send requests for clarifications (RFC), or proceed erroneously due to misunderstandings is enormous. My FFOI and MOA certainly may not correspond with yours and my LOC is often a product of the similarity of acronyms (SOA) proffered by various APs. An AIP, and there are an ever increasing number among WIP, is more aware of LOC created by SOA than most casual readers. It is better to communicate completely and clearly, in essence, to be proactive against LOC and its accompanying waste of resources so evident in the large number of RFC.
Consequently, the EEAB is counterproductive and results in ever increasing LOC. The LOC and increased need for SPM and SDI for clarifications is GTR by society and APs themselves. The control of ABM must be understood by society as ITWS, wasteful of EPGL, and contrary to reducing WCP.
SLFN
TW |
Wayne Yancey
Senior Member
Username: wayne_yancey
Post Number: 344
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 09:48 am: | |
What you talking about Willis? |
Sheldon Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: sheldon_wolfe
Post Number: 417
Registered: 01-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 03:29 pm: | |
Dennis, my apologies. As Tim suggests (I think), it's easy to get caught up in ABM (acronym-bandwagon mentality). Even when they are familiar and have been used in context that makes their meaning clear, I have occasionally burst out laughing during a meeting when two or three people string together sentences or paragraphs that are little more than abbreviations. |
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA
Senior Member
Username: delrodtn
Post Number: 12
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 04:21 pm: | |
Sheldon...No problemo. I found Tim's rhetoric light-hearted and funny, yet enlightening. He makes very good points about getting back to the basics of "writing", and the 3-C's come to mind...Clear...Concise...Correct.
It is intersting how we can get caught up in latest flavour of the day, in this case, the ABM. Since I just edited the Section on ACM a few weeks ago, I thought it was Aluminum Composite Material (Alucobond) and had no idea what you meant. Furthermore, I had no idea doors of olde had asbestos in their make-up. Who would have figured? And, since many of you are spread around the Country, you may utilize different acronyms & abbreviations than we do here.
In the end, I appreciate all forum commentary, and the lighthearted comments keep us all sane.
Dennis C. Elrod, AIA |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
Senior Member
Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1224
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 04:22 pm: | |
I'm sure that ABMs are anti-ballistic missles, prohibited by early arms-control agreements. |
Helaine K. Robinson CSI CCS CCCA SCIP
Senior Member
Username: hollyrob
Post Number: 370
Registered: 07-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 05:01 pm: | |
I'm pretty sure that the National CAD Standard includes a glossary of acronyms and abbreviations. |
C. R. Mudgeon
Senior Member
Username: c_r_mudgeon
Post Number: 64
Registered: 08-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 05:08 pm: | |
...that are widely ignored... |
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman
Post Number: 866
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 05:32 pm: | |
If you want to get "acronymed" to death, listen to a military briefing.
As a butter bar lieutenant (2nd Lt) in my first real military briefing, I shook my head a lot like I understood; then I had to go back to my office and do some research to find out what they actually said.
Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
www.specsandcodes.com |
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Monday, August 02, 2010 - 06:36 pm: | |
I still believe the most zen acronym is TLA which is, you guessed it, a three letter acronym for Three Letter Acronym. I'm not sure about using the same acronym to mean a two letter acronym. The thought is too painful to bear.
Getting back to a few questions that come to mind when talking about refinishing wood doors, can you shed some light on the age and nature of the installation? Do you know what finish systems were originally used and what system you want to use for refinishing. Are all the doors the same age? How will your efforts affect fire ratings, if any?
The very popular polyurethane finishes that have been used as a virtual default by the industry for years do not come off easily and generally require that the doors be removed from the site for stripping and refinishing. Some older varnish-based finishes may contain lead, arsenic, or other hazardous materials that you don't want to make friable.
You might want to talk with some current wood door manuafcturers to see what they suggest; they may know of ways to deal with these and other issues not yet raised. I have used VT Industries for similar tasks in the past. If possible, consider checking labels on fire doors to see whose doors were used and consider contacting the original manufacturer.
Are doors still under lifetime warranty? Does that warranty include refinishing?
The comment about ADA compliance and use of levers is a good one. Other concerns should be considered such as whether any of the doors have glass lites or louvers. Have you considered how handling those doors might result in damage once those items are removed or re-attached at no fault to the Installer? Will you be reusing the original trim and infill or replacing them with new?
Will you need to specify temporary doors for openings while these doors are taken away for refinishing? If finishing on-site, will there be a shop area designated where work can be performed safely that doesn't impact other work being performed and that permits proper dust-free drying? Will you require that a number of doors be used as samples to establish an acceptable range of finish and repair? How do you allow for warpage that may occur once a door is removed, stripped, modified, and re-finished? Is there a way to survey and document existing unacceptable doors and to enforce replacement of doors damaged by the Contractor?
I'm sure other questions will come up as you proceed. If you're willing to document your experiences, I'll bet we can all benefit from your feedback after you're done. Maybe you can put together a short article in the Construction Specifier. Remember to take lots of before and after photos! |
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