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David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
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Post Number: 1078
Registered: 03-2002


Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 01:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Does anyone have an example of a signature sheet that they can send me. Our code official is requiring a signature sheet for the project manual that we are submitting for permit.
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Username: specman

Post Number: 830
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 01:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

What's your email?
Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
www.specsandcodes.com
Wayne Yancey
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 01:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

wayne.yancey@callison.com
David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
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Post Number: 1079
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 01:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

daxt@bassettiarch.com

Thanks!
Sheldon Wolfe
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Post Number: 383
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 04:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Check with the registration board of the state where the project is located. Some require a seal, most require specific text. Also, some require wet signatures, while other, more enlightened states, allow use of an image.
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
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Post Number: 990
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 04:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Some also require specific configurations, dictating the location of the seal in relation to the signature. "Enlightened" states? What's that? Those in sunshine?
Sheldon Wolfe
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Post Number: 384
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 04:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Yep, all that stuff. It's made more interesting by local agencies and building officials, who often have their own interpretations of what is required.

We are fortunate to have a single board of registration here, so the certification rules are the same for everyone. Another state we have worked in has one board for architects, another for engineers, and maybe more. No surprise, but the text, configuration, and rules for use of each certification differ.

What's a "sunshine"?
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate
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Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 991
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 04:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

"...Please don't take my sunshine away..."
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
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Post Number: 1160
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 04:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Our seals page (or pages) has simple boxes, two columns wide, with the discipline at the top of each box and the PE/Arch's name at the bottom of the box. Like drawings, many jurisdictions want to see the wet seal, so we circulate a few copies to the PEs to stamp. Fortunately for us, that is usually no more that a walk downstairs.
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Username: specman

Post Number: 831
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 05:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Arizona is "enlightened" in both aspects: they allow digital seals and it is currently sunny and 72 degrees (Phoenix metro area, that is).
Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
www.specsandcodes.com
Robert W. Johnson
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Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 05:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

And what was it last July?
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
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Username: specman

Post Number: 832
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Friday, January 15, 2010 - 05:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

It was a nippy 115 degrees.
Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
www.specsandcodes.com
Phil Kabza
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Username: phil_kabza

Post Number: 419
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

But it's a dry heat, right?
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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 09:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Has anyone encountered a requirement for electronic signature pages? If so, how did you resolve? How are electronic signatures authenticated/verified?

Are drawings electronically stamped/signed? I have been "out-of-the-loop" re: drawing production since the advent of CADD, so I am somewhat clueless about current technology/capabilities.
Sheldon Wolfe
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Post Number: 385
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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 09:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

By "electronic signature" do you mean a graphic image or a digital signature?
Mark Gilligan SE, CSI
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Post Number: 255
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 12:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

As I understand it digital signatures requires adding some specially encrypted text to the file of the complete document. Any additions or changes to the file would void the digital signature. I see problems if you try to get multiple individuals to apply their digital signatures to the document.

First the digital signatures would need to be applied to a file of the complete project manual which means that this would be the last thing done.

You would have each individual apply his digital signature to the file in sequence.

I would suspect that many consultants would not have the ability to apply a digital signature. It is not clear how somebody else can apply a digital signature for you.

I am assuming that you are doing work in a state that allows the use of digital signature.

Where am I wrong?
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Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 01:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

A graphic image does not have any authenticity, as I can easily scan/insert an image of seals, stamps, signatures, etc. So I guess that what I am inquiring about are digital signatures. By Mark's comment, it is apparent that multiple digital signatures may be problematic. After some more online research, it appears that digital signatures, depending on the level of authenticity desired, could require third party certification.
So, back to my original question, has anyone encountered any requirement for digital signatures...for any level of authenticity/certification? If so, how was it accomplished?

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