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Author Message Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1050 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 09:32 am:    In spite of my best advice to the contrary, I now am in a position where the Owner insists on including asbestos abatement in the contract for construction, which does include some demolition. I have a copy of the asbestos report; asbestos was found in window "chalking" (I hope it means calking) and in pipe insulation. Does anyone have a section they'd be willing to share? The project is in New York. I have a Wisconsin section that is for a much more complex abatement situation and I'd feel better about this if I had another section for comparison. Thanks. (ljavoroski@flad.com) (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 02:24 pm:    For what it is worth considering the source, the following is link to State of NY Office of Gen'l Services: http://ogs.state.ny.us/dnc/generalInfo/MasterSpecMF04/html/028213.htm ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 50 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 06:34 pm:    Folks, Peter Angelos bought the Baltimore Orioles baseball team, not that it's much of a team this year, with the money he made on asbestos litigation. Please get your clients to use environmental engineers who specialize in hazmat abatement. Get them to provide extensive surveys and detailed documents. Preferably, have the abatement work issued as a separate package. Major League Baseball can't afford to have another Peter Angelos, or another team as bad as the O's. Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 70 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 08:32 pm:    Ken, That's the best argument I've heard. None of the obvious arguments for hiring experts in this field could possibly top that. Go Red Sox. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1051 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:02 pm:    I won! We will not be doing asbestos abatement as part of the package! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:05 pm:    That's great news. So Lynn, did you use my Baltimore Orioles argument? Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1052 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:10 pm:    Not exactly...I just pointed out that it would cost more if it was subbed through the general...I've got enough on my baseball plate with the Brewers! John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1207 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:12 pm:    We always include asbestos abatement in construction contracts--it should not be any issue at all, and has been done this way for at least 15 years by designers all over this area. But, we hire a consultant (typically an industrial hygienist with ACM experience) to do investigation, write abatement specs, and prepare drawings showing scope and location. This has never been a problem and the work typically goes off smoothly. Paul Gerber Senior Member Username: paulgerber Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:24 pm:    We handle it the same way in the Great White North eh?! Except we call them Environmental Consultants up here. Ride it like you stole it!!! (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 04:40 pm:    I used to work for a GC and we had this work in our contract five or six times with no issues. The abatement workers wore the suits, respirators, and had special showers on the job site, but at break time, they were chain smoking cigarettes on loading dock like there was no tomorrow. If the asbestos doesn't kill you, the tobacco will!!!! J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 417 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 07:07 pm:    In my experience, including the abatement in the construction contract has not been a problem. I would assume that there are a number of demolition contractors who are also licensed to do hazmat work. The problem is having this included in the architect's scope. Most (if not all) architects who carry E&O insurance are not covered for this type of work. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1208 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, May 21, 2010 - 04:17 pm:    Peter, I do not believe this is true anymore. We certainly are covered, provided we use a consultant with the proper initials after their name.