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Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 01:27 pm: |    |
A client questioned why we specify a paint product that is ranked low by Consumer Reports in the March 2008 issue. How would you reply? |
Nathan Woods, CCCA, LEED AP
Senior Member
Username: nwoods
Post Number: 229
Registered: 08-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 01:46 pm: | |
The Consumer Reports data is collected from all over the country, right? If you have had good expereiences with it in your local climate/market, then I think you should stick with you know works in your area. |
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
Senior Member
Username: geverding
Post Number: 397
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 02:05 pm: | |
What was the testing procedure used by CR? What did they test? What do you typically use as standards when you specify? What is the owner expecting?
In sum, was the CR test applicable to your project? |
Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI
Senior Member
Username: rliebing
Post Number: 783
Registered: 02-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 02:22 pm: | |
Following George's thought, if we specify products tested by UL, ASTM, MPI (Masters Painters Institute), SSPC (Society for Protective Coatings}, are their test methods comparable, at any level, to CR's methods? Not aware of any spec using CR as a reference standard.
But this is a tough situation where client questions information that may well be quite divergent, irrelevant one to another and the proverbial apples and oranges. |
Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman
Post Number: 617
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 08:15 pm: | |
Most likely, the products tested by Consumer Reports are the manufacturer's consumer line of products. The products used on construction projects are typically the manufacturer's professional line of products, and are usually of higher quality. |
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski
Post Number: 720
Registered: 07-2002
| | Posted on Friday, February 01, 2008 - 09:02 am: | |
Except for paint...consumer quality paint is usually of higher solids content than commercial/construction quality paint. |
David J. Wyatt
Senior Member
Username: david_j_wyatt_csi_ccs_ccca
Post Number: 102
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 04, 2008 - 09:00 am: | |
What criteria did CR evaluate? If they are convenience-related, such as packaging, low odor, price, ease of clean-up, then they may not be relevant to a commercial construction product. It would be interesting to know. |
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA
Senior Member
Username: geverding
Post Number: 404
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 04:10 pm: | |
I attended a seminar given by Barry Law, the president of MPI, and I happened to mention this discussion to him. Coincidentally, MPI was in process of evaluating the CR tests. Barry emailed me the othert day that the article on CR is now available on the MPI website. For those interested, it is http://www.paintinfo.com/ or click here: MPI |
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