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Author Message Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 248 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 03:06 pm:    My #1 New Year's resolution - more exercise - has been badly broken already and we haven't gotten past the first two weeks of the new year. The typical image of a specifier is an overweight, old coot sitting in front of a computer - that's me. The only exercise I seem to get is putting out someone else's fires. Out of curiosity, what do you do for exercise? ...not the what we should be doing tripe but what are you actually doing each day for exercise. William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 694 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 03:27 pm:    Fencing is my sport. I am currently ranked 6th in the nation in the Men's over 60 Foil. I fence at least twice a week with an hour of open practice followed by a 40 minute private lesson on Mondays, Tuesday is small group weight training for a 45 minute class, Thursday repeats Tuesday, Saturday morning is fencing for 3 hours with an advanced class simulating a competition. I also do 20 to 30 minutes on all other off days doing coordination/timing exercises of various types. I try to schedule a true competition (an all day event lasting about 6 hours) once a month. I have 3 national level competitions a year (moves around the country) where we compete for our national ranking (December, March and National Championships in July). Some ask, is fencing really exercise? Well, during my typical practice classes I weigh about 3 pounds less at the end than when I start even though I may consume about 32 ounces of water. So, yes. Still, I would like to loose about 10 pounds. Some have attributed my success in getting respect from PAs and PMs to my sport. Playing with pointed metal rods may add to that, but I like to think its my friendly disposition and winning smile. But who knows -grin! William Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 773 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 03:35 pm:    Thanks, William, for changing my life! I no longer have to worry about exercising or losing weight-- I'm sweating [not just perspiring] just reading your post [my pulse is up, and Lord only knows where my high blood pressure will peak] WHEW!!!!! Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 03:38 pm:    Last time I saw you William, you didn't have 10 pounds to lose. You are, indeed, the exception to all of us other specifiers. Job well done on your competitive success and personnel achievements. Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 81 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 03:45 pm:    William - Have you found that bringing a sword to a Contractor trailer meeting helps things go your way? I might want to try that. I often ride a motorcycle to meetings and I have been amazed of the "street cred" this gives me with Contractors. I live and work in San Francisco and what exercise I get is from walking home from work. I can select a route including anything from a minimum 1.5 mile, 500 foot total elevation gain to 4 miles+ with an aggregate of over 1200 foot elevation gain. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 363 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:03 pm:    Ralph: I was going to write a flippant, witty (?) response and bring up "jumping to conclusions," "weighing in with opinions" and "dodging responsibilities" as exercises but the subject is just too serious to treat like that. From recent postings, I conclude that many specifiers are exceptionally busy. Perhaps they are overworked. My experience from November and December was one of too much work. I took off for three days of real vacation just before New Year's Day. It was refreshing and took only one tank of gasoline. Recreation is supposed to be for re-creation. It is beneficial. I'm looking forward to more "vacating" from work. What shocks me is to realize how much the lifestyle of a specifier is unhealthy. Sitting at a computer for long stretches is life-threatening when you consider the potential for developing blot clots due to poor circulation in the legs. The sedentary life of an office worker is not healthy for the cardio-vascular system. So, of course we all exercise to compensate. Well, speaking personally, the mental stress of producing specs under too-short deadlines leaves me in a pile when the project is complete. Comfort food and low-intellect entertainment are easy, expedient choices. I have also become sensitive to the issue of sleep deprivation. From what I recently read, American teenagers and adults are sleep-deprived by at least an hour per night. During project deadlines, I find getting 3-5 hours sleep too typical. I know some specifiers who still do all-night charettes, with occasional naps. The consequence of this deprivation some studies link to diabetes and the accompanying heart, vision and mobility problems. That's serious stuff. I resolve every January 1 to not make resolutions. Nevertheless, I have taken actions to treat my body and mind better the past two weeks and I am finding positive changes. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 701 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:25 pm:    Up until about 1-1/2 years ago, I ran 2-4 miles most mornings (at least 6 days a week). Then I started coming to work an hour earlier to save time spent in the car (I save an hour a day by traveling before peak rush hour times). So I've been struggling to find a consistent time after work when I can get back to at least walking - treadmill in the winter and with luck, outside in daylight hours in clement weather - and eventually back to running. The problem is meetings and appointments that are scheduled for after work - at least 2-3 a month, and stopping on the way home to grocery or other shop - that severly cut down on the consistency. My resolution this year is to find that consistency! It's tough in the dark in the winter in Wisconsin! I can't run outside - there's black ice and wild critters. (Ask me about the time 5 deer exploded from the woods and ran about 5 feet in front of me) So in winter, it's treadmill and TV; I walk/run to Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune. C'mon Spring! The key, I think, is to not give up trying; trying for consistency and trying to find the time. Parking as far away from stores as possible and walking helps, too. Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:32 pm:    John: When I last saw you [in Vegas IIRC], you were telling me that you were on a new Seefood Diet - you see food and eat it. How is that working out? <g> Actually, you are quite correct, exercise is a serious topic for persons of advancing experience like the majority of this group which, in almost all cases, involve a change in daily habits as a minimum. I am now fighting diabetes so it is high on my list to address this year. Exercise is one of the most important ways to control high blood sugar. Since I, like you, find it hard to break the mold of long, sedentary hours in front a non-moving box. Just wish someone would invent a spec writing station on a stationary bike or stepper. Steven is on the right track; walking is probably the single best action we can take but it takes an hour away from spec writing. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 364 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:45 pm:    I have an uncle who walks 12 miles per day. Last we heard from him, he was near Barstow. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 365 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:48 pm:    I think what needs positive exercise is the muscle between our ears. Seriously, attending the annual SCIP meeting and local and regional gatherings of specifiers help my mental state. And when I'm "up" about who I am and what I do, it's easier to move in the right direction about diet and exercise. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 827 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 05:04 pm:    I walk to the subway ten minutes on each end of my trip, twice a day, a total of maybe 2-1/2 miles. I always take the stairs out of the subway and up to my 4th floor office and my 2nd floor home--maybe the equivalent of 15 to 20 flights a day. And my wife and I walk and subway for nearly all of our entertainment. We counterbalance that by eating plenty of rich restaurant food on a regular basis. This formula seems to have worked so far. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 691 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 05:30 pm:    I got a dog. Now that I live in SoCal where I have to drive to the grocery store 1/2 mile away (there's a bridge with no sidewalk, so I'm not walking there) and I live in an apartment, so I can't throw the dog out the back door. We walk 4 times a day, for a minimum of 1/2 mile each time (there is a park across the street that is 1/2 mile around) or up to 1-1/2 miles for a couple of those walks. (so generally 2 to 4 miles a day, every day) I also do a series of arm exercises with small weights (10 pounds) in front of the TV every day, usually after work. I also have one of those large balance ball things, and I do curls on that, and drape myself over it backwards to stretch out my back nearly every night. I also started golf last fall and have a series of stretches and weight regimens to keep my arms and back from seizing up. Like William, I used to fence and even though I had no athletic background, I found that construction was a good background for being aggressive. (I did epee, not foil). that aggravated a long standing hip problem though and after five years, I quit that. I did find though that while a spec writer may be intimidating, a spec writer doing a combat sport scares all kinds of people. I have found that the more exercise I do, the sharper mentally, and calmer I am at the office. Steelcase just debuted a "walk-station" that is a workstation connected to a slow (1 to 2 mile per hour) treadmill. http://www.details-worktools.com/product_details.php?pid=740&gclid=COTqpPmc75ACFQrOiQodWCLa3Q George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 389 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 05:37 pm:    My dad kept posted over his computer desk the following: "If a bus station is where a bus stops, and a train station is where a train stops, why is my desk called a workstation?" Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 239 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 06:58 pm:    Like John, I walk to and from the subway each day, about 2 miles total; and walk up the subway escalator. I also do 200 crunches/leg lifts each morning (at least when I'm sufficiently motivated). Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 693 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 07:26 pm:    George: the response to your quote is: a bus station is a platform the bus goes through -- the bus stops "for a while" there; a train station is where the train stops momentarily. Some of us are old enough to remember that where the train and bus actually STOP is called the "terminal". at least we don't have work terminals.... Jo Drummond Senior Member Username: jo_drummond_fcsi Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2007 Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 08:15 pm:    I walk about 1.25 miles every day except Sunday, rain or shine (though it doesn't rain much in Southern California), vertical rise of about 100 feet, plus 132 steps on a street stair. I do the walk first thing in the morning. I follow the sun, the earlier it rises, the earlier I walk. I don't like the sun in my eyes so I walk just as it gets light. In addition, my office is downstairs, the rest of my home/office is upstairs, and I go up and down the stairs dozens of times each day to answer the door, eat, take out the trash, and just for fun. Also, I keep things inconveniently. If I have to staple something, I get up and walk into my workroom to staple it. Ditto, answer the phone; punch holes, and all the other minor office tasks. If something needs filing, or I need something from the files, they are across the room. So I don't sit for hours. I'm too restless for that. And it keeps the clots from forming (I hope) Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 702 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 08:58 am:    And a few of us are old enough to remember when we had computer "terminals"... Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 240 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 09:52 am:    And at a certain age, we don't like the word "terminal" in any context.... William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 695 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 10:09 am:    Yeah Anne! I have actually come across a couple of CSI members that were or are fencers. One of the problems I have found, and especially as I have talked with others in an active sport at my age is that when it comes to a competitive moment, the mind forgets that the body is no longer 25 years old. One has to be careful of injuries. Fencing is interesting to consider. It can be a life long activity, and you can start at any age. And you don't have to go to competitions, many metropolitan areas now have enough and large enough clubs that you can just go for the fun and exercise. But, at the Spring national last year, there was a fellow there that had only been fencing a year, at only his 3rd competition and at his first national level competition. He had a great time, he was 84. As the boomers age, more things become available. Up to now, the top age group in fencing has been he 60+ group. The world body for fencing just mandated changing the group to 60-69 and opening up a 70+ group. Its expected that this may happen in the next season. William Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 694 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 01:26 pm:    William: the bulk of the salle I belonged to in Seattle was made up of attorneys... talk about aggression. I liked it, but the overwhelmingly right-sidedness of the sport (I'm right-handed and right footed) was too hard on my right hip. I went back to cycling, which is more evenly corrosive. Anne William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 696 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 01:30 pm:    Anne, Yes, if you are 'handed' it can be more wear on that particular side. I am ambidextrous to some extent (right handed, left footed) so I fence both right and left. Actually, I prefer to fence my opponents in a mirror, fencing the opposite hand my opponent uses which means I end up using my left more than my right. William George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 390 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 02:03 pm:    Perhaps you fencers can answer a question. When my wife and I visited a castle in Wales, we were told that the one clockwise spiral stair (the rest were counter-clockwise) was defended by a left handed swordsman. My Missouri skepticism figured it was more likely built by a left handed mason. Ever heard any confirmation or debunking of the left handed fencer story? Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 605 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 02:12 pm:    Could it hve been constructed by someone who was from "down under" (southern hemisphere)? Marc C Chavez Senior Member Username: mchavez Post Number: 268 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 02:30 pm:    My knowledge of the topic agrees with that statement that the right handed defender could fight heading down stairs where as the right handed attacker would be at a disadvantage, but realistically if the attacker is that far in the castle or keep your pretty well screwed. I bet it has as much to do the "right" as good and left as bad, right hand of God etc. Remember coats of arms combining two families are often split with a Bend or "Bar" Dexter (upper right to lower left from the view of the person bearing the shield) vs. bar sinister upper left to lower right. This was interpreted as a legitimate birth vs. an illegitimate birth BUT still of a person of note. Why do I have this piece of knowledge? because my dad taught theater and we had to paint shields for productions of Shakespeare's histories. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 703 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 02:32 pm:    More likely that if it was constructed by a lefty, they were sent "down under" since left-handedness is "sinister" and Australia was a penal colony (much like the state of Georgia). Evidently, since Savannah has a wonderful St. Patrick's Day celebration, the Irish were sent there. Perhaps the Welsh were sent down under? Kenneth C. Crocco Senior Member Username: kcrocco Post Number: 123 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 03:22 pm:    this is getting out of hand? right? Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 241 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 03:26 pm:    That's a cutting remark, Ken, but you do have a point. Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 606 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 03:34 pm:    Touche! William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 697 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 04:23 pm:    Come on guys, you don't need a fencer to tell you about this, you need someone with a background in history, specifically historical castles and castle defenses. Stepping forward, since medieval architecture is a hobby of mine. Its not a myth, its a fact. There are almost no 'left handed ascending stairs' (stairs that spiral upward counter clockwise) in any castle or construction that was considered for defensive purposes. Reason, its much harder in the era of edged weapons to attack up a stair turning clockwise than counter clockwise. Why? Because most of us are right handed. We would hold our edged weapon (axe, sword, whatever) in our right hand. Now, stand in the narrow spiral stair with your blade in your right hand looking up. See how the inside of the spiral makes you step out and expose your body to the defender above you because your hand is too close to the inner spiral. It also prevents you from getting any effective cutting angle on the defender above you, swords don't bend around curves. Now, do the same thing at the top of the stair looking down. Now your weapon ins along the outside wall. See how much more angle of effective area of attack (or defense) you can get by just exposing your arm and weapon and how the curve of the inner side protects your body? With very few swords truly left handed, it means that the attacker is at as much disadvantage as possible. He may use his left hand, but not be as good. Or he may have to use his right hand and be at a real disadvantage. But left handed defenders were just as hard to find, so its likely that the left ascending spiral was a stair not meant to be defended, or perhaps built at a later time when active military defense was not as much a concern. The biggest builders of castle construction in the British Isles were the Normans. Its how they pacified an area. I toured many across Ireland. Almost all were living residences as well as administrative centers for the local Norman lord. Even in the residential areas, this stair construction holds true. In addition, even in the residential areas the stairs had random riser heights - that is the stairs were uneven. Also, they edges of the stone on the stair treads was left intentionally sharp. You had to pay attention and not screw up or you easily fell. Something else that causes an attacker to have to slow down. There you go! William David J. Wyatt Senior Member Username: david_j_wyatt_csi_ccs_ccca Post Number: 97 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 04:32 pm:    I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous. Anonymous   Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 10:08 am:    I haven't been on in a few days and found this topic most enjoyable! I've opted to post as "anonymous" for reasons you'll soon discover. My workouts take place just as soon as I get home from work. (I'm an architect who does nothing but spec writing in our firm.) Regardless of my work load, I leave at 4:00 most every afternoon, go home, work out, and then do more work if and when I need to. As far as what I do? Well, I do have one of those Total Gyms that Chuck Norris and Christy Brinkley hawk. Surprisingly enough, they work pretty well. I just can't decide if I look more like Chuck or Christy! ANYWAY, I try and do that every other day. Now then, for the other days, and in order to get my aerobic exercise in (and THIS is why I'm posting anonymously.....so they won't take my man card away!), I do Tae Bo. A surprisingly exhausting routine! My goal is to do those two things 5 days a week, which means I usually get it done at least 3. And there ya have it. William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 698 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 11:38 am:    Hey, what's wrong with Tae Bo ! I used to have a 'total gym' some time ago, thought it was good, but wanted a bit more and had room to do it so I got one of the Bowflex, the one that is the vertical tree, I think they call the extreme or something. That thing is heavy, so you can actually do pullups from it or attach bands to its column and it just does not move. Frankly, I put it together by myself and lifting the top part of the assembly onto the base post was a major effort! But its a great machine. Their new product that uses bands and coils looks interesting, lower profile, saves more on space, but I really like the overhead tree. William Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 704 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 12:28 pm:    Nothing's wrong with Tae Bo - and it is exhausting, especially once you get beyond the basic workout. (Although, even the 8 minute workout is tiring). The most difficult part, though, is finding the tapes or CDs anymore. Thank goodness for second-hand bookstores. Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 251 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 02:04 pm:    Why is it that none of the exercisers shown in the video tape actually look like most of us? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTCc_17kNMk] David: Your response had me rolling on the floor. Does that count as exercise? Jerry Tims Junior Member Username: jtims Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 02:13 pm:    OK......I admit it....I'm Mr. Anonymous! Lynn.....if you're OK with paying full retail, here's plenty of Tae Bo dvds. http://www.billyblanks.com I usually get a couple of new ones a year just to keep from getting bored. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 707 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 02:47 pm:    Full retail? What's that? Ron - that only counts as exercise if you do it for full 30 minutes and get your heart rate up to the required count. And if you do, I want to see the Youtube! Jerry Tims Member Username: jtims Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 03:01 pm:    Lynn....in THAT case, well, as of 5 minutes ago, there's 525 Tae Bo items on Ebay! Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 709 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 03:06 pm:    I'm good right now, but I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! Jim Brittell Senior Member Username: jwbrittell Post Number: 45 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 03:21 pm:    Another all-age activity that I recommend is yoga. I took it up last summer and was surprised at the level of effort required - I was dripping sweat after 60 minutes. But at the end, I was totally relaxed. Being AARP-eligible, I'm not nearly as flexible as these 20-something dancers, but it's fun to try. Sorry, Lynn - no videos allowed! Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 710 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 04:03 pm:    Oh, rats! Well, one can always hope for a rogue with a cell phone, right? And, I think, after reading all the above, one of the things we all do for exercise is laugh! Jerry Tims Intermediate Member Username: jtims Post Number: 4 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 04:39 pm:    I saw a Bill Cosby routine a year or so ago and he said he had recently bought one of those fancy electric toothbrushes. But not because it works better than the manual kind. It was because he brushes his teeth right after he gets out of the shower, which of course means he's standing there naked while brushing. With the electric model, not nearly as much "jiggling" goes on! Ohhhhhh how I can identify! Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 696 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 04:42 pm:    okay, that last response was WAY too much information for me. you should have stuck to Tae Bo. Jerry Tims Advanced Member Username: jtims Post Number: 5 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 04:58 pm:    LOL...... I HAVE stuck to Tae Bo......but I'm fully clothed when I'm doing it! Jerry Tims Senior Member Username: jtims Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 05:00 pm:    Wow! I've gone from "Junior Member" to "Advanced Member" in just one afternoon! Ahh......life is goooood. Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 05:02 pm:    Man oh man, This thread has made a turn for the worse! Thanks for the visuals! ;)- Steve Gantner, CSI, CCCA Member Username: sgantner Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2007 Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 05:44 pm:    Don't look now Jerry, but you've advanced to Senior member! Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 711 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 08:06 am:    I wonder if that has anything to do with Jerry's description of his exercise routine? Jerry Tims Senior Member Username: jtims Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 08:46 am:    Don't worry all.....I've decided to take Peyton Manning's advice (from one of his commercials) and buy bigger shirts! (Even though I KNOW there's a six-pack in there somewhere!) Wow....this place is a high-speed version of real life isn't it? I'm a senior member? I'm scared to ask what the next level is! AARP Member? Deceased Member? More ideas come to mind, but the visuals I'm getting are even grossing ME out. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 698 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, January 16, 2008 - 01:33 pm:    I have a friend who recently started working out, and he's quite proud (at the moment ) of his two-pack.