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Robin E. Snyder
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Username: robin

Post Number: 107
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

How are people handling stamping/sealing electronic documents? For example, when a set of specs is posted to an ftp site, or other web-based collaborative software how are they sealed?
Nathan Woods, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: nwoods

Post Number: 201
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 06:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Are you refering to live drawing files (DWG/DGN, etc...?)

If you are refering to submittals, I just print the coversheet, stamp it, scan it and merge it back into the origional PDF of the submittal.
Robin E. Snyder
Senior Member
Username: robin

Post Number: 108
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 06:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I am referring to Contracto Documents - PDF's of specs, specifically, but drawings as part of the big picture.
Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: awhitacre

Post Number: 533
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 07:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

some jurisdictions still require wet stamping and hard copy submittals. in that instance, the "real" stamped/sealed documents are submitted to the authority having jurisdiction and it is acknowledged that the electronic documents are simply copies, just as printed sets would be. the electronic set is not the "original" in those jurisdictions. its a timing issue but some states absolutely require wet seals for the record set and you need the hard copy for that.
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP
Senior Member
Username: redseca2

Post Number: 55
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Monday, April 23, 2007 - 07:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

When allowed by the permit issuing authorities, we use either whole page PDF's of signature pages or paste individual PDF files of signatures we keep on file into a signature page template.

Some authorities, including California OSHPD, still insist on "wet signing". In those instances, we post the PDF for general mass printing purposes while original wetsigned copies are bound into the permit submittal copies.
Sheldon Wolfe
Senior Member
Username: sheldon_wolfe

Post Number: 258
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 12:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

And some probably still require hieroglyphics chiseled into stone...
Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate
Senior Member
Username: lynn_javoroski

Post Number: 569
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 08:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Oh c'mon, nobody's that archaic...just quill pen dipped in India ink on vellum will do nicely.
Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI
Senior Member
Username: rliebing

Post Number: 601
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 09:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Obviously things Lynn has only heard or read about!!!!
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP
Senior Member
Username: redseca2

Post Number: 56
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 12:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

News Flash!

After about a million years, OSHPD finally relaxed on the permit submittal form. For a few years into THE 21st CENTURY, you needed to fill out a 3 copy carbon paper form on an object called a typewriter (We kept our mint IBM Selectric next to the Kroy machine in an appropriately termed dead end corridor).
Anonymous
 
Posted on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 - 01:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I vaguely recall a seminar by Bureau Veritas, in which they presented their development of a process for "signing/sealing" of PDF documents and is being used on Calif power plant construction projects. I recall, it a heavy emphasis on the security aspect of such "signing/sealing." Sorry, but I don't have any more details/contact info.

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