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Author Message Karen L. Zaterman, CDT Senior Member Username: kittiz Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 07:24 pm:    OMG, I need help on this one. Where do I find an obsure section like this? The closest I'm coming to this is Bird Control or Soil Treatment for Termite Control -- which I suppose I could use as a base & modify, if I have to. Can anyone do better? Margaret G. Chewning FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: presbspec Post Number: 104 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 08:00 pm:    WHAT in the world are you trying to specify? What are the parameters of the system? Is it to prevent mosquito bites or at least keep them in check? Not sure there is one. Being from country areas, the only thing I know is a steady breeze toward the swamp or wetlands, a room screened with mosquito netting, or just stay inside. They try using flyovers here with some kind of pesticide, sometimes it helps knock them down. But I'm not sure what it does to the wetlands. Karen L. Zaterman, CDT Senior Member Username: kittiz Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 08:18 pm:    This is for a wetlands rehab project. In short, it involves ponds -- so the purpose is to mitigate public health hazards by controlling the mosquito population. The approach is blended, relying on design & introduction of natural methods with "biorational" larvicides as a second line treatment. So this is actually a serious request ;-) J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 193 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 08:28 pm:    I recommend newts, tadpoles, frogs, minnows, crappie, and bass. Now how to specify a population of tadpoles.... Robert W. Johnson Senior Member Username: bob_johnson Post Number: 87 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 08:33 pm:    That's a good one. The best that I can think of quickly is somewhere in the 02 50 00 Site Remediation category or in the 02 70 00 Waater Remediation area depending how much emphasis on the ponds. Sounds to me like you are doing site or water remediation for insect control purposes. Karen L. Zaterman, CDT Senior Member Username: kittiz Post Number: 12 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 08:59 pm:    Actually we will spec: Mosquito Fish – Gambusia affinis Hi Bob :-) I was going to use: 10 81 16 Insect Control Devices. The ponds & streams will actually divert water from the City line & treat the water, reducing load to the treatment plant. The mosquitos are a by-product of the treatment ponds. What I'm really looking for is a sample CSI section I can use as a base to incorporate the consultant's recommendations. Richard Baxter, AIA, CSI Senior Member Username: rbaxter Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2004 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 09:20 pm:    I would start by googling ‘mosquito abatement.’ Section 02 7216 Biological Water Decontamination might be relevant since mosquito abatement generally starts with applying something to the standing water where mosquitoes thrive. Margaret G. Chewning FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: presbspec Post Number: 105 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:14 pm:    Sorry 'bout the goofy response above. I had no idea where to start. Anyway, on a number of pollution retention ponds here abouts I have seen a fountain device often floating on a tether and waterproof electrical line that keeps the water aeriated (sp?) that helps to keep the mosquitos down as well as keeping the water oxygenated for the fish (carp) that were put into the pond. Hope that helps. Karen L. Zaterman, CDT Senior Member Username: kittiz Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2005 Posted on Monday, June 19, 2006 - 10:39 pm:    that's OK, Margaret... interesting but I think we already have the design established. It's my task figuring out how to spec it without spending 12 hours writing one section :-) I had already tried Google, for "vector control", "mosquito control", with and without "specifications" & have just tried "mosquito abatement" -- get tons of hits for info but if there is a section it is buried somewhere... has anyone found a better search string when seeking a CSI section? I've also looked on WBDG/CCB. These were the things I did before coming to you all, in desperation! any more ideas out there? Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, MAI Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 279 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 01:00 am:    This is so specialized, I have a feeling you'll have to create one from scratch. I've had to do that on numerous ocassions where something was designed that wasn't addressed in my masters. If there's a supplier or manufacturer that your consultant can recommend, you can contact them--maybe they have a specification from another project. Even if you can get a manufacturer-created specification, you'll probably have to modify it anyway, which is very common. The key to writing a custom specification section is finding the information that you need. The manufacturer or supplier would be a good start if they don't have a guide specification; even your consultant should be contacted, since they recommended the system and would likely have some basic criteria to use. Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 229 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 08:05 am:    What state is this going to be built - suggest you check with the State University, you would be surprised how much information is availble...but you will probably not find anything in CSI form, so expect to spend the time...ouch...just think after you are done you will be an expert in mosquito control specifications - please don't forget to share your exploits. At one time our office was going to prepare specifications for a mosquito misting system (i.e. Mosquitonix.com) but the client nixed the idea. You can always try contacting mosquitonix, they seem to have their act together and may have what you are looking for, or maybe not... Margaret G. Chewning FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: presbspec Post Number: 106 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 08:07 am:    Also, get your copy of the SectionFormat Document out to use as your template. If you have the basic information for what system you are specifying, it's basicly a matter of plugging in the information into the appropriate article, then look to other specification sections for appropriate phrasing that fits. Its just like specing a widget, you have no clue what it is, but you have been given what it does, the standards it meets and what color it is. I've had some mechanical specs in that category. Good Luck, You can do this! Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 408 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 08:29 am:    On the lighter side, if the bugs do miracuously survive and get away, I have a spec Section for Electronic Bug Snappers, if you need it. Robert E. Woodburn Senior Member Username: bwoodburn Post Number: 117 Registered: 01-2005 Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 10:02 am:    For a Navy project that required mosquito control in a limited area (the staff patio area of a new building), I wrote a custom section based on products of the manufacturer of "Mosquito Magnet," which cites DoD agencies among its users. I don't know whether or not it was effective. I do know that my wife and I bought one at Home Depot for our own backyard, and, after a few months, we took it back. Although the devices appear to be based on a sound theory (converting LP gas to emit CO2, which mosquitos home in on to locate their victims, then sucking them into a net where they dehydrate), they require regular replacement of LP fuel tanks and are effective only in a limited area. And their effectiveness depends heavily on being located correctly with respect to the prevailing wind, the configuration of the protected area, and the location of the people. We didn't sense that it worked for us, but apparently others have had good results. However, for a large area such as a pond and its surroundings, I'd suggest establishing a bat colony (seriously...). There is probably information available on the web or from county ag agents on how to do it.