Delegated Design

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Author Message ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 150 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 01:16 pm:    Anyone have any experience specifying delegated design items like metal stairs, handrails, etc. on Republic of California projects? I know that OSHPD made us do an early release package for the curtain wall on a project and have it submitted with the permit set so they could treat it as part of the Construction Documents, but this isn't an OSHPD project. Thanks. Mark Gilligan SE, Senior Member Username: mark_gilligan Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 02:36 pm:    References to "Republic of California" suggests a lack of appreciation of the fact that we are still a state. I believe this is properly addressed in California Building Code Section 107.3.3. Ultimately it is at the discretion of the building official. Many building departments prefer to limit deferred approvals. The best advice is to check with the building department if you expect to defer something beyond stair systems and truss systems. Do not expect to delegate the design of steel connections as is often done in the eastern part of the country. Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 536 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 03:13 pm:    What's it say on the state flag? ;-) J. Peter Jordan (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 03:30 pm:    I thought when we said "It's a whole 'nother country" we were referring to Texas. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 04:02 pm:    At least I didn't call it the Peoples' Republic like some people do here in Massachusetts. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1239 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 04:48 pm:    The "California Republic" is like so many things in this state: all marketing, no content. The "Republic" was a revolt against Mexico (when what is the state of California was Alta California) but the revolt actually started AFTER the Mexican/American war was over (and Mexico lost). So the band of rebels hoisted the Bear Flag and waited 46 days for the US Army to take possession of the area. Officially this was known as the "Bear Flag Revolt" and there never was any effort to establish a California Republic. (there was, however a flag that stilll is used by the State.) Does anyone have any question about why Disneyland and Hollywood are located here with that as background? Richard Gonser AIA CSI CCCA SCIP LEED Senior Member Username: rich_gonser Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 06:18 pm:    As a resident here, it is the "peoples republic"...Cronyism and the true definition of Fascism reigns here. My voice, as a voting resident here, has not been heard in over 20 years. BTW, To give you an idea of what its like; when I've asked questions of CARB / SCAQMD representatives who purport to be economic scientists, they are absolutley clueless to the economic impact of their rulemaking board decisions. This was even when they were giving a talk on that very subject! ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 155 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 09:02 pm:    That's like the blind defense of LEED uber alles. Why prove that ROI actually has bearing on reality when the world needs to be saved from itself? Who cares if Green Globes costs less and actually considers longevity and durability to be important? Believe me, I like having clean air but I don't like being forced to use substandard coatings because of a few VOC points (sometimes literally). The standards makers explained to me a couple years ago that if one manufacturer can claim to make a product, all manufacturers must comply. What happens if the one manufacturer makes a substandard product? No answer. They want to believe the claims so much that they base the standard on their perception of reality. Sorry, we're off topic. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1240 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, February 02, 2012 - 03:53 pm:    well, back to the California thing -- I've had paint suppliers here tell me to stockpile coatings now -- because the air quality regs let people use up the supply that they have before they have to comply with the new regulations. there are several coating types that simply don't exist in this state. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 560 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 01:42 pm:    I'd love a discussion of California history but I'd prefer getting back to the topic of California-unique issues of delegated design (design/build) for projects under the jurisdication of big agencies such as DSA and OSHPD ... and frankly county and municipal building departments under the Calfornia Buidling Code (CBC) and its derivatives such as San Francisco, Los Angeles City and Los Angeles County Building Codes. Should requirements for delegated design be generally addressed in a Division 01 Section, with specific requirements in "work result" Sections? What requirements need to be addressed to satisfy plancheckers for DSA and OSHPD for approval of the project as a whold? What requirements need to be addressed for specific products and systems ... er, "work results"? What products and systems are applicable to "delegated design" (design/build)? Floor and roof trusses? Skylights? Elevator guide rails? Curtainwalls (storefronts?)? A whole system such as HVAC? Metal stairs? Fabricated handrails and guardrails? Building controls? Mark Gilligan SE, Senior Member Username: mark_gilligan Post Number: 488 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 09:46 pm:    Irrespective of where you are in the country delegation of design of systems requires the blessing of the building official. The submitted documents are subjected to the same review as if submitted along with original permit. In California we are just more formal about enforcing what is in the code. If the specialty engineer is not used to dealing with DSA and OSHPD he may be in for a surprise. The Architect and engineer on the project should specify the design criteria to be used in the design of the specialty system. This is especially important if the criteria is in addition to that required by code. For example deflection criteria for floor joists. The architect and the engineer for the main project need to coordinate the delegated design with other systems in the building. The specialty engineer should be required to participate in the coordination efforts. The specialty engineer should be required to respond to all comments from the jurisdiction and to ultimately satisfy the permitting agency. The provisions for delegated designs should be addressed in the technical sections dealing with the items to be delegated. A key element is requiring that the person performing the designs of these systems be licensed in the state where the work will be installed. The specialty engineer should be required to provide calculations and drawings stamped and sealed. When dealing with DSA and OSHPD if the work is structural in nature the specialty engineer should be required to be a licensed California structural engineer. I would also suggest that the specialty engineer should provide any technical specifications needed to perform the work. The specialty engineer should also identify any special inspections needed for the system he designs. These special inspections should be addressed in the Statement of Special Inspections. Which systems can have their design delegated varies with the region and jurisdiction. In the eastern part of the country it is common to delegate design of steel connections but do not try that in California.