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Author Message Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 717 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 01:11 pm:    Have a substitution offered; Any one specified, used or have any experience with or information about: NO-COAT® TRIM ACCESSORIES MANUFACTURED BY STRUCTUS BUILDING TECHNOLOGIES, INC. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 659 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, October 15, 2007 - 01:42 pm:    It's recommended for use with abuse-resistant gypsum board and is in our specification as such. Seems to be OK. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 223 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 07:49 am:    I have installed a sample corner bead at home and hit it with a broom handle. It's more resistant to denting than typical galvanized corner bead. We've specified their No-Coat Smart Series UltraCorner corner bead as an alternate in lieu of extruded aluminum corner bead, in conjunction with impact-resistant gypsum board John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 804 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 09:35 am:    This looks like a very interesting--if not flashy--product. I just checked out the web site and ordered the samples. As a general question, are y'all specifying metal trim or (ordinary) plastic trim for drywall? I've continued to specify metal, but wonder if there's a better way. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 224 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 09:59 am:    John: We just specify metal--typical galvanized trim, and extruded aluminum reveals. For exterior cement plaster soffits, zinc trim or extruded aluminum trim (with coated contact surfaces to stucco). Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 718 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:03 am:    We still spec the regular USG trim shapes, but.... This product line does look interesting, but I am concerned about the feather edge of the joint compound on the face of the trim [note on web site details that compound does not cover the entire flange; edge could be iregular, unsightly, and could flake off when dry if too thin]. Maybe an undue concern[????] Also, appears to be less labor intensive [but does cost change?]; and may be overkill for regular installations where abuse is not an issue. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 805 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 10:57 am:    I recently specified Gordon's "structural corner trim" for a project where we wanted more durability in a corner, but I have not seen it in place. It's an extruded aluminum corner bead with thicker material at the corner, taped-in like regular bead. Corner guards are not attractive, and I'm tired of seeing dinged drywall corners in so many places on so many projects. (Even my own house!) I'm starting to think that every corner in every corridor should be more durable than the standard corner bead. Sharon Lund, CSI, CCCA, CCS, LEED AP Senior Member Username: sharon_l Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:15 pm:    I also went to the website for this product and was very impressed. However, I couldn't find anything on the website about a fire rating, which is important on most of our projects. It is plastic, after all. We use metal most of the time. Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 547 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 12:25 pm:    The paper on gypsum board and coatings on other types of gypsum panels (not to mention finishes such as paint, wall coverings, paneling, etc.) are also combustible, and typically burn off during the ASTM E 119 tests, leaving only the gypsum intact. The use of plastic trim is negligible; and if you check GA-600 or the UL assemblies, you'll notice they don't even address trim in the list of components. Don Harris CSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: don_harris Post Number: 158 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 02:52 pm:    We usually specify metal, but one client has us use the paper faced metal type. They are tired of nail pops. It has been successful in these high end residential, i.e. not a whole lot of user abuse products. We also specify setting type compound for the paper faced product. One client wants the plastic. They are the only ones requesting it. I also ordered the samples of the Structus products. Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 12 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 07:40 pm:    I have spec'd NO-COAT paper-faced structural plastic corners for years & always suggest this to my clients for institutional projects. I originally added them to my drywall master at the request of a client who had tested them extensively in public schools w/ very positive results. The plastic backing is virtually indestructable & there are no mechanical fasteners, so dented or popped corner beads are avoided. The installed appearance does not look any different from standard metal beads or paper-faced metal beads. Many of my clients have become fans and I haven't rec'd any negative reports from the field. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2007 - 09:53 am:    Dave: Which ASTM is that? Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 201 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, August 07, 2008 - 02:14 pm:    Does anyone have thoughts regarding vinyl drywall beads versus galvanized steel?