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David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
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Username: David_axt

Post Number: 144
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 04:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

About 6 months ago I upgrade to Microsoft Word 2002. Ever since that time I have several crashes (sometime 10 a day) while trying to open a file. The problem seems to be in the automatic numbering.

Anyone else have this problem?



Anonymous
 
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 05:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

You are performing an illegal operation "Contact your software vendor".
Alan Mays, AIA
Senior Member
Username: Amays

Post Number: 15
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 05:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

David,

If you call Microsoft support they will claim that it is a new feature.

Had to get my Microsoft dig in for the day!
William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: Wpegues

Post Number: 192
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 11:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

David,

Have you checked into any discussions about ths? We have about 30 or so systems running Word 2002 (installed as a complete version of office, not word stand alone), and there is no problem with this. Word's default is for automatic numbering.

Now we don't have a lot of heavily automated numbering documents like spec sections that are running word 2002. So maybe that is part of it. But I have not heard anything about this being a problem either.

William
William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: Wpegues

Post Number: 193
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 12:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

David,

Its late and I must be bored -grin! I went to the Microsoft support discussion areas for word and I found that there are a couple similar type problems posted there. Long url...

http://communities.microsoft.com/newsgroups/default.asp?icp=Prod_Office&sLCID=US&newsgroup=microsoft.public.word.application.errors

Anyway, there were a couple reports about problems with bulleting and numbering and reformatting causing the app to freeze.

Some don't have answers yet, only being recently posted. But look for threads with a similar problem and an answer by "Suzanne S. Barnhill" who seems to be providing official answers there.

If you post a question there, you will get a much better answer by providing more details - like the last 3 or so actions you did when it crashed (each key stroke or mouse click exactly), and the exact wording of any error message, or an exact description of what the screen displays if it is a crash or freeze.

Missing that, you likely won't get good answers. Its very important to be as exact as possible. I know this from heading up the reporting team for software updates for CompuServe for about 4 years.

William
Alan Mays, AIA
Senior Member
Username: Amays

Post Number: 16
Registered: 02-2003
Posted on Tuesday, July 29, 2003 - 01:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

David,

If this is an old document(s) that originated in Word Perfect, that can also be the problem. When our office changed from WP to Word, I had to change a large portion of specs since our masters were still in WP and I was working in Word. I had found out that some documents had to be completely copied over into a new document instead of just letting word convert them. It would be the auto-numbering that would be affected. Some even to the point that they document would freeze. I still have trouble with a couple of masters even though they have all been changed to Word for quite a few years.

Alan
David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
Senior Member
Username: David_axt

Post Number: 147
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - 05:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Alan,

You are correct. Our spec masters were converted from WordPerfect files.

The recover function in Word usually does not work. What usually works is opening up the document in Word 2000 and renumbering.

David
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA
Senior Member
Username: Bunzick

Post Number: 117
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 09:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The only way to completely clean up a problem document is to convert it to a pure text file, save, and then convert it back. You will obviously loose a lot of formatting such as autonumbering in this process. However, if you have created a Word template with the appropriate style definitions in it, you can fairly easily assign each paragraph to its style, and have a perfectly formatted document when you're done.
Anonymous
 
Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 04:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Why would anyone want to switch from WordPerfect to Word? Word has too many problems with handling specification formatting, that it should be avoided at all cost.
Anonymous
 
Posted on Saturday, April 28, 2007 - 07:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The "problems" that you have with Word handling specifications formatting are perplexing to me. Both programs work differently, but essentially have most of the same features. If you don't like styles then you'll never like Word - but WordPerfect also takes advantage of styles.

WordPerfect was developed in the days of MS-DOS and was designed to tell the printer what to do with a very simple stream of text. Word is developed with a more sophisticated system of screen and printer controls. They approach the problem in different ways, with similar results.

Essentially they will both give you what you want, if you understand how they operate.

I was using Word Perfect before version 4.2, and found it to be a good program. Transition to Word was difficult, but so was transition from MS-DOS to Windows. There is no question in my mind that I am better off with both Windows and Word. I am very fortunate to have made the transition to Word. But I had to put my prejudices aside to make that transition.

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