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Curt Norton, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: curtn
Post Number: 171
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 28, 2011 - 05:44 pm: |    |
Okay, this is for a colleague of mine who is working with a manufacturer: Which of the following would be more appropriate for a toilet partition manufacturer’s toilet partition object and why?
Toilet Compartments and Urinal Screens | 23-15 11 15 11 or
Toilet Partitions | 23-31 25 11 11
I would have to assume it is the latter, but then, what about the urinal screen? Does it need its own title/number/object? |
John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: john_regener
Post Number: 503
Registered: 04-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 05:58 am: | |
Neither Masterformat 2004 nor Masterformat 2010 recognize "screens" in toilet rooms. Only compartments are recognized. Therefore, urinal screens and privacy screens do not exist.
It would seem simple and logical to change the title of the Section to "Toilet Partitions" and encompass panels that are part of a compartment and panels that only function as a screen. But this might cause confusion with "partition" products ... er, work results ... specified under Section 10 22 00 Partitions.
So, it would seem to be a judgment call whether to specify compartments in one section and screens (partitions) in another in order to remain true-blue, honest-to-goodness, sure-enough, you-betchum, unh-huh true to Masterformat ... even though the products are part of the same system or assembly, installed at the same time by the same party.
It would seem like MF04 needs should be reviewed and perhaps revised. Oh wait, that's what the 2010 version was supposed to do. Since no change was made, no change is necessary. Make do with the current numbers and titles.
And by the way, is 10 21 13.19 Plastic Compartments where solid polymer (HDPE) partitions should be specified? Where are phenolic partitions specified? Has anyone ever seen a "particleboard" compartment in a toilet or shower room? I have doubts about the suitability of particleboard for shower compartments, unless "water-resistant" particleboard sufficiently resists the severe wetting of a shower. |
E Jones
Junior Member
Username: ejonesspec
Post Number: 2
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 07:50 am: | |
Pardon my ignorance if that is the case, but what kind of numbering system is 23-15 11 15 11 or 23-31 25 11 11? |
Curt Norton, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: curtn
Post Number: 172
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 08:59 am: | |
This is Omniclass not MasterFormat. It is Table 23 that identifies materials, not work results. |
Curt Norton, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: curtn
Post Number: 173
Registered: 06-2002
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:02 am: | |
Correction - products (not materials) |
Robert W. Johnson
Senior Member
Username: robert_w_johnson
Post Number: 128
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 02:32 pm: | |
John: "Neither Masterformat 2004 nor Masterformat 2010 recognize "screens" in toilet rooms. Only compartments are recognized. Therefore, urinal screens and privacy screens do not exist."
MasterFormat 2004/2010:
"10 21 00 Compartments and Cubicles
Includes: manufactured compartments and cubicles that are enclosures, dividers, screens, and curtains for toilets, urinals, showers, dressing compartments, and hospital cubicles including hardware and accessories. ceiling-hung, floor-supported, orverhead-braced, and wall-supported." |
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