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Author Message Lynn Javoroski Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 235 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 11:01 am:    Does anyone have experience with either "Kyanice" (not sure about the spelling) or "Coronado" paints? I have an owner who insists on these 2 manufacturers and no one else. I've never heard of either one, although Coronado is listed in the MPI directory (for a certain level of comfort, anyway). This same owner wants to stipulate that the final coat be applied by roller, not spray - and that primers be tinted to 50-75% of the final color. I'm reluctant to specify either of these requirements, since I feel that they are into means and methods. Richard L Matteo, AIA, CSI, CCS Senior Member Username: rlmat Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 11:14 am:    Isn't it wonderful when the Owner's become their own worst enemy? I've never heard of "Kyanice" either, but have heard of "Coronado", although I have no experience with it. I would suggest checking with one of your reputable major paint reps. I had an experience here in CA where an Owner insisted we use a local company called "Scotch Paint" turns out they only make a few types and not the whole range. I left my spec "as is" based on a major manufacturer and left it up to the other paint company to match it. I don't see any problem with specifying that the primers be tinted - it's generally recommended. Same goes for specifying the application. If you have a problem with that, maybe specify the application to be as directed by Owner. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wyancey Post Number: 57 Registered: 05-2005 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 11:38 am:    Lynn, Coranado Paints are located in Clearwater FL (www.coronadopaint.com) I have never heard of the first name quoted. My standard practice is to specify only national brands paints (but not for special coatings) from S-W, BM, ICI partially because of their R&D. We have several regional brands in the PNW but they are not considered. These are my rules, for better or worse, and I have not had any backlash. The spirit of competition exists amoung the 3 national brands. I have no issue with the requirement to under-tint the primer or second coat. This an acceptable check and balance technique. MPI full paint spec states "Tint each coat of paint progressively lighter to enable confirmation of number of coats." Painting coats specified are intended to cover surfaces satisfactorily when applied at proper consistency and in accordance with manufacturer’s recommendations. Did your client provide reason(s) why the final coat of paint is applied by roller versus spray? Some paints may have to be thinned to be sprayed. Perhaps the client experienced inadequate dft with the sprayed product. Spraying is definitely faster than rolling (i.e. less labor, perhaps less paint coverage (dft), etc) Wayne Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:01 pm:    Tinting the primer is a good idea in particular for deeptone colors. Means fewer topcoats needed for complete coverage. We typically specify 2 topcoats over a primer, but for deeptone colors sometimes more coats are needed, and a tinted primer can help alleviate this. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 401 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:03 pm:    Kyanize (with a "z") is a familiar brand here in New England, although it seems to have disappeared, at least as far as I can tell by an internet search. I found one item that suggests it was purchased by Insl-x Paint, but their web site doesn't mention the brand. Where is this project located? Maybe this brand name is now a private-label arrangement through distributors. I didn't call Insl-x but that may be a start. I, too, have run into owners who want certain brands. Usually it's because they have a charge account with a local paint store that their maintenance staff goes to, and the owner thinks that this will somehow make their life easier when they need to repaint. George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:26 pm:    We worked with a residential multi-family developer who insisted on rolled or back-rolled final coats. (Back-rolled meant rolling over a sprayed final coat, for texture.) I think they felt they got a better finished product. It also made it easier for consistency when touchups needed to be done at closeout. It may also be that since the developer owned the units, they were more comfortable with the rolled finish because that is what they ended up doing every few years when the units turned over occupancy. I agree with above posts regarding tone differentiated prime coats, and specifying a certain brand. I have run into that alot in the past too. Lynn Javoroski Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 236 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 12:30 pm:    Ah-HAH! Thanks, you guys. Our master does specify that successive coats be darker than previous ones, hinting that the primer should be tinted. And I know that when I purchase paint for my own use, the manufacturer/supplier suggests that the primer be tinted, especially with deep tones. So I feel that's a manufacturer thing - but if the contractor wants to put 4 coats on because the base isn't tinted, that's his/her problem! Our master also states that the dft should be as recommended by paint manufacturer and specifies 2 coats over the primer, minimum; more coats as needed to make it look like the approved sample. This project is in the Mid-West. I'll do a little more searching for Kyanize/Insl-x and see what I discover. Coronado is listed in MPI mnaufacturers; Kyanize is not. Any more information greatly appreciated!