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Author Message Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 421 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Monday, October 01, 2018 - 11:51 am:    Has next year's convention location been announced yet? JB (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Monday, October 01, 2018 - 05:53 pm:    I expect it to be announced this week at Construct. Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Tuesday, October 02, 2018 - 02:50 am:    I have been advised that it will be Washington, DC. We will see sooner than later I suspect. "Fast is good, but accurate is better." .............Wyatt Earp David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1725 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Sunday, October 07, 2018 - 01:18 pm:    Construct 2019 will be held at National Harbor, Maryland on October 9 to 11 at the Gaylord National Resort & Convention Center. David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP Specifications Consultant Axt Consulting LLC Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 745 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 12:05 pm:    Please note - October 9, 2019 is Yom Kippur, in case that affects travel plans for anyone ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 1183 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 02:30 pm:    Brilliant Oh well. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 424 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 03:54 pm:    The holiest day of the year for 7 million Americans who observe Leviticus 23:26–32. Practicing Jews (4 million) Churches of God (1 million in various branches) Seventh Day Adventists (1 million) Messianics (Christians who follow the Hebrew Roots Movement and Jewish converts to Christianity – 175,000 to 250,000 as of 2012 - another sources says 1 million) Various other sola scriptura (the Bible alone) Christian groups Not sure how many of us are CSI members. Worth mentioning to CSI. I have sent a note to memberservices@csinet.org if you are affected, right? I will post here what they say so far, and if that is the right office to contact. National Harbor - I remember limited parking for mega $$$, but lots of new construction there, including a ca$ino, don't know if that would make it better to get around or just more dense. Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 746 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 04:02 pm:    CSI National is aware but this is a decision made by Informa, the company that owns the conference. I still suggest contacting them though. The resort is a self-contained facility, so not sure the parking will be an issue. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 425 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 04:30 pm:    Sent a message to them at https://www.informaexhibitions.com/en/contact-us.html J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 1059 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Monday, October 08, 2018 - 06:02 pm:    At this point, I doubt that anything can be done. It speaks to Informa's sensitivity on such issues. People should be aware that CSI has little or no influence or input on CONSTRUCT. Anyone who believe that this is CSI's show is sadly mistaken. There is no input from a local chapter, and I have no idea how the program is put together. They do provide some scheduling and physical space for CSI events, but this seems at times like an afterthought. J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 427 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 - 11:45 am:    Good point, Peter. Since the national show has been sold twice now, it does seem to be getting further away from being "our" show anymore. I may give them a chance again sometime, since it is good to see old friends each year at CONSTRUCT. However, I am switching my focus to local and regional events all the more now. There has been no reply from Member Services. Update so far from London or wherever: Hi Chris, Thank you for your enquiry, and for raising this important issue. I have passed on your concerns to the Construct show team, who will be able to respond directly. Best wishes, Sarah Informa Exhibitions Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 735 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 - 05:06 pm:    I just received the following response from Informa (I had contacted Member Services using the link Chris had provided--thanks Chris): Hi David, We received your contact form and concern regarding the 2019 CONSTRUCT Show dates. We respect all religious holidays and do our best to try and secure dates around the holidays, but there are unfortunately circumstances where a facility only has dates available to us that overlap these holidays. We will continue to do our best to avoid said holidays as we plan future CONSTRUCT Shows. Best regards, Meggan Spehar CONSTRUCT Marketing Manager | ICRE | Global Exhibitions Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 747 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2018 - 05:09 pm:    Thanks David. And, i call "BULLSHIT". In all the country, they couldn't find a suitable facility that was available any other date except over the most sacred Jewish holiday? Does Meggan have an email you can provide? Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 736 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 09:17 am:    Robin, Her e-mail address is Meggan.Spehar@informa.com And yes, was National Harbor the only venue considered? ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 1184 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 09:28 am:    I guess it's a canned answer as I got the same one. Does CSI realize it's dying? It can't afford to continue to alienate the few active members it has left. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1517 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 11:33 am:    CSI will not live or die by CONSTRUCT--there are many other factors involved. We have no control over what Informa does with the event, including timing and location. We have had only a small part in the selection of education, but, as announced at CONSTRUCT, this will change. Because the event is now too small for city convention centers, Informa has decided to move CONSTRUCT to a hotel/convention center venue. This resulted in an agreement with Gaylord Hotels for the next three years. If it wasn't National Harbor, it would have been at one of Gaylord's other locations, for which we have no knowledge of their availability at the time of the agreement. CSI is not dying, but it is suffering; but not as bad as it was a few years ago. You can't turn around an organization within a couple of years that has been declining over a period of 20+ years. The CSI culture has got to change. Chapters have got to change the way they service their local members. If current members resist change, then CSI will fade away like many former associations before it. Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 748 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 01:21 pm:    CSI is doing some very positive things to re-energize the organization. The dynamic chapters program looks promising. Also, a number of the regions are stepping up to help bridge the gap between chapters and national. This scheduling issue next year will likely affect attendance at CONSTRUCT, which may be detrimental to the convention, but hopefully not CSI itself as we try new ways to engage and service the industry. Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 661 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 04:30 pm:    A bleak thought is that because these dates coincided with a religious holiday, they were naturally discounted at the resort. Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 749 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 04:31 pm:    um, well, yeah. Sounds like Informa needs more astute staff John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1763 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 04:49 pm:    I understand how some folks would be annoyed about this scheduling conflict. I suspect that the reason may be more about the number of people affected than anything else. The US Jewish population is about 2%, and according to the Pew Research Center on Religion and Public life, about 60% of Jews observe Yom Kippur. Attendance at Construct is about 2,000 people. Assuming that that attendance reflects the demographics of the US, that works out to about two dozen folks who are negatively affected. This low number may not affect the planning the event, even if it represents disrespect to those concerned. Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 750 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 04:56 pm:    Regardless of the actual numbers, the appearance, and therefore the "branding" of CSI is negatively impacted. I spoke with numerous non-Jews who were shocked by the inappropriateness of scheduling over the most sacred of Jewish holidays. When we schedule our regional conference in April, the first thing we do is look up Good Friday/Easter to avoid conflict. Even as a Jew, I know to do that. If Informa indeed took the attitude of, "it's ok, it's only 24 Jews that would be affected", it doesn't pass the smell test. Regardless, it's a done deal and reflects complete incompetence on Informa's behalf. CSI, IMO, should be considering alternate options based on this. Our region is stepping up and taking steps to provide excellent regional conferences to help provide our members with a chance for networking and education outside of Construct Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 430 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - 08:33 pm:    Many faiths in addition to Jews observe Yom Kippur (listed in my previous post). So perhaps 48 members affected. In any case, it is sad if either it is a done deal that cannot be changed, or if our attendence does not matter. I got the same canned response as what Dave posted. David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1726 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2018 - 02:09 pm:    There is an amazing new invention called the "interweb" or "world wide net" (or something like that). It has an amazing amount of material (most are useless but some are very useful). One of the more useful sites is a calendar of holidays and observances. https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/2019 David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP Specifications Consultant Axt Consulting LLC Dewayne Dean Senior Member Username: ddean Post Number: 172 Registered: 02-2016 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2018 - 04:09 pm:    David, you should have thanked Al Gore for making the"interweb" possible David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1727 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2018 - 06:03 pm:    The purpose of my previous sarcastic and snarky response was to indicate that nowadays it is really easy to find information on holidays. It's not like the old days where you had to call up Rabbi Moishe to find out the dates of the Jewish high holidays. David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP Specifications Consultant Axt Consulting LLC Ronald J. Ray, RA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP, AIA Senior Member Username: rjray Post Number: 185 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Thursday, October 11, 2018 - 08:05 pm:    I agree completely with the previous posts that agree with me, that Informa has demonstrated a complete lack of sensitivity to the real world. I also know that the dates for Construct will not change, as venues are probably booked well over a year in advance. For me, although not personal in a religious sense, the issue here is of very high importance, and totally unacceptable. Back in my youth, my generation would simply boycott Construct in hopes that it would bring about future change, and in this particular case, an apology from Informa, rather than some canned meaningless response. I do not believe CSI will ever have their own convention again. The money CSI received for selling the convention to Hanley Woods, some years ago, was primarily spent to buy BSD. Even with CSI recently selling most of their ownership of BSD, I can’t believe those new found funds are earmarked for bringing back a true CSI convention. At the SCIP meeting this year, it was stated that SCIP may disassociate their annual meetings from Construct. In my view, if this happens, the potential for improved and enlarged convention experience for all those associated with SCIP, both members and manufactures, could look very promising. To that end, I encourage each of you who are not involved with SCIP, as is my history, to join SCIP either as an Active Member (independent specification consultant) or as an Affiliated Member (not an independent specification consultant) and get involved immediately in planning the future of the specifying community.