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Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 543
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2022 - 04:46 pm: |    |
Has anyone had success with photoluminescent paint?
I posted my questions here: http://discus.4specs.com/discus/messages/1097/6428.html?1643835901
But wondering if the topic might be more visible in Product Discussions. |
Brian Payne
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 260
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2022 - 09:05 am: | |
yes/no. We have used paint as the perimeter stripe for stairs and landings, as well as door frames. We do not use paint on the floor and handrails. No floors because it wears off, and no handrails because subs find it hard to guarentee required mill thickness to meet illumination levels. Not sure the last point is valid, but it's what weve been told.
We tend to use Balco's or Nystrom's plastic strips instead. A different brand (maybe everglo) prints the product info on the strip every 18". |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC
Senior Member
Username: redseca2
Post Number: 702
Registered: 12-2006
| | Posted on Friday, February 04, 2022 - 02:19 pm: | |
I have also found that clients with on-site personnel that provide maintenance for their properties do not want to burden them with a tricky coating system. |
James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: jsandoz
Post Number: 341
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2022 - 09:53 am: | |
I remember reading about concerns with luminous dial watches and a possible link to bone cancer in wearers of those from the radium. I suppose the luminous part of marking paint is different now and since people spend little time in exit stairs, and are not in continuous contact with the paint, this is no longer a concern. |
J. Peter Jordan
Senior Member
Username: jpjordan
Post Number: 1169
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 07, 2022 - 10:06 am: | |
Radium has not been used in luminous markings for many, many years. Rolex stopped using it in 1963.
J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP
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Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip
Post Number: 546
Registered: 02-2014
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2022 - 04:54 pm: | |
Latest list from what I have been able to glean:
1. AfterGlow LLC: AfterGlo, Front Royal VA, (877)238 4569, sales@afterglowdirect.com, www.afterglowdirect.com
2. Bambu LLC (formerly Performance Indicator LLC): Bambu Way, Lowell MA, (978)459 4500, sales@bambuway.com, www.bambuway.com
3. Sherwin Williams: After Glo (if available to non-aviation markets)
Hoping one of these will work, because the owner is convinced paint will work better than marking tapes.
We have a longer (and still growing) list of photoluminescent paints that did not work or were not actually available |
Brian Payne
Senior Member
Username: brian_payne
Post Number: 262
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Friday, February 11, 2022 - 05:27 pm: | |
One other thing to consider is wether non-flourescent lighting will charge the marking. LEDs might not meet code. |
Richard Fost AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: richardfost
Post Number: 13
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2022 - 03:27 pm: | |
In the paint vs adhesive-backed strip debate, keep in mind (for those projects using photoluminescent markings where municipality/city has adopted it) that NFPA 101 requires (7.2.2.5.5.1) stair treads to have "a marking stripe that is applied as a paint/coating or be a material that is integral with the nosing of each step" - and includes a subparagraph that reads "Surface-applied marking stripes using adhesive-backed tapes shall not be used."
For landings, they are not so explicit - comply with dimensional requirements but no mention of paint/coating product required. |
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