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Author Message Mitch Miller,AIA ,CSI,CCS Senior Member Username: m2architek Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2004 Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 04:57 pm:    DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A SPEC OUT THERE TO COVER THE CLEANING AND RESTORATION OF ACOUSTICAL TILE CEILINGS AND GRID? Anonymous   Posted on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 07:46 pm:    Try Ceiling Solutions', Inc. We have worked with them in the past and they have a great solution. ceilingsolutions@rcn.com Ralph Liebing Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:18 am:    You might also check with a rep from The Sherwin-Williams Company. They have a cleaner-- ["No Rinse Cleaner"] for such uses [and others] used just prior to painting, etc. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 07:46 am:    Ceiling Solutions' has a product and process that consists of a sprayed on application of vinyl acrylic resin, essentially, a resurfacing procedure. The application of the product to an existing acoustical tile ceiling will actually improve the acoustical value, flame spread and smoke density ratings of the tile, and is an effective recycling tool. This process works with concealed spline, as well as exposed tee systems and ceiling variations in between. They have a web site - ceilingsolutions.biz I have found this to be an excellent solution. David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 263 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 12:55 pm:    Excuse me for asking, but wouldn't it be easier just to replace the ceiling tiles? Anonymous   Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 12:29 pm:    No. Not even close. Evacuate occupants, dismantle mechanicals, tile, grid, diffusers and huge clean-up. Install grid, tile ( very labor intensive with all edge cuts, sprinkler systems, high hats, etc.) and fire and HVAC. Move back furniture and occupants. Compared to an in-place re-coating process that requires no downtime, restores originals specs at 1/4 the cost. I've done it, it's not for every project, but it works. C. Mazzaferro - TPG Richard Hird (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 02:34 pm:    Agree with David Axt. Unless you have a large maintenance dept to keep busy you replace just the panels, not the grid. You can clean or paint the grid if necessary and still come out ahead. Ronald Hecht (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 08:09 am:    I agree with Anonymous. Even if only the panels are being replaced and painting or cleaning of grid and diffuser covers are done, you are still looking at a very labor intensive project. Furthermore, the tile around sprinkler heads, edge cuts etc. are never changed because of the enormous labor and difficulty leaving a portion of the tile dirty and discolored. Changing ceiling tiles only is a job half done and in my experience, disappointing. David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 264 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 12:13 pm:    The first step to a good solution is knowing the problem. If the tiles are just dirty, especially around the vents, then the janitor could just vacuum the ceiling. If the tiles are sagging, then it is best to replace them. If you clean them then you will have clean sagging tiles. If you have satined tiles, fix the roof, then replace the tiles with new tiles. When you replace the new tiles, the old tiles will look even worse, so why not just replace all the tiles. If the grid is rusty you could repaint or touch up. If the grid is really rusty, painting will just temporarily fix the solution, the rust will come back. There again, find the source of the rust, such as a leaky pipe, and repair that first. David Lynn Javoroski Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 97 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 04:25 pm:    There is a company that makes grid covers in 15/16", 9/16", 1" (for old grid) and 24mm widths. It snaps on, they say it's easy to do (one person installation - I've not done it, but it looks that easy). And it's vinyl, so it won't rust. Also comes in colors, and the literature says less than $.25/sq. ft. Acoustic Ceiling Solutions, P.O. Box 1581, Appleton, WI, 800-434-3750, www.acpideas.com. Lynn Javoroski Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Monday, April 19, 2004 - 04:26 pm:    Oops - it's Acoustic Ceiling Products... Cecilia Andres Gregg (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 08:06 am:    I think David is missing the point. Of course we need to find the problem and fix it. We also need to recognize new products are on the market that work and save time and money. I have used ceiling re-coating several times and it works. David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 266 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 06:43 pm:    Oh hell just paint the damn thing and be done with it. Let it be someone else's problem. http://www.seymourpaint.com/index.cfm/products/?id=131 Mrilyn Mauriello (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2004 - 09:01 am:    The following was posted 4/16. Why not check it out? "Ceiling Solutions' has a product and process that consists of a sprayed on application of vinyl acrylic resin, essentially, a resurfacing procedure. The application of the product to an existing acoustical tile ceiling will actually improve the acoustical value, flame spread and smoke density ratings of the tile, and is an effective recycling tool. This process works with concealed spline, as well as exposed tee systems and ceiling variations in between. They have a web site - ceilingsolutions.biz I have found this to be an excellent solution.