Cradle To Cradle Certification

Log Out | Topics | Search Moderators | Register | Edit Profile

Author Message Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:02 am:    I am reviewing a LEED Rating System Version 2.2 and have a question for all my LEED AP advisors out there on the thread: Can a manufacturer's Cradle To Cradle Certification be used for an Innovation in Design credit? If so, why? I am looking through the 2.2 version of the LEED Rating System and do not see a discussion on it...have I overlooked an addendum or paragraph in the book? Thanks everyone for your help! Russ Hinkle, AIA, CCS Senior Member Username: rhinkle Post Number: 54 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:33 am:    The reference manual is not the end all for LEED. Check out the CIR's online. LEED also has published a 58 page document listing all the innovation points that have been attempted. They have not published the results (did they get the point) because every project is different. It is not a point we have attempted on any of our projects. Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 108 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:39 am:    Yes Mr. Hinkle, I do know LEED Rating System is not the end all be all for LEED. I do KNOW that much. LOL! I wanted to know why am I seeing Cradle to Cradle Certification coming up lately. I have not been able to find any discussions or info on it other than some manufacturer's saying their products comply with it. I do know the concept of Cradle to Cradle, I simply wanted to know where I can read more about it and if I am really able to use it for a LEED credit or not. Thanks for your comments on the CIR's online, I will look through it. Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 115 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:53 am:    The cradle to cradle gospel I have encountered most recently was from Patcraft (carpet). Patcraft will take theirs and competitors Type 6 nylon carpet and ship to their reclamantion plant in Georgia for recycling into new nylon 6 carpet. Carpet manufacturers seem to be at the forefront of this concept. I think (gut feeling) at this point in time it may be an innovative credit but eventually may become mainstream. Currently, Commercial Interiors (CI) projects and NC projects seem to be the best bet to obtain an innovative credit for this concept. I would be interested to know of other products that are advertised as cradle to cradle. Wayne Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 109 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 11:58 am:    Wayne, Thanks! This is an NC project I am reviewing. I have noticed carpet manufacturers and now a composite surfacing manufacturer claiming Cradle to Cradle Certification. I agree with you on it becoming mainstream, eventually. That being said, have any of you specified it lately as an ID credit? Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 116 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:06 pm:    Melissa, Please name names. Wayne Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 110 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 12:09 pm:    The composite surfacing is IceStone. The website is http://www.icestone.biz. It looks to be a good product. I found that they are being really generous on some of their credits they state in the LEED area but they also have the Cradle to Cradle certification statement there as well. Russ Hinkle, AIA, CCS Senior Member Username: rhinkle Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 01:10 pm:    http://www.usgbc.org/News/PressReleaseArchiveDetails.aspx?ID=3118 See the link for a press release from USGBC on cradle to cradle. Peggy White, CSI, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: peggy Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2007 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 01:18 pm:    Wayne - you can find c-to-c products here: http://www.mbdc.com/c2c/ Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 111 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 02:12 pm:    Thank you all so very much! Anonymous   Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 02:02 pm:    USGBC staff authored an ID credit for the use of c2c products and rammed it through the MR TAG to make Mr. McDonough happy (in hopes that he would stop bad-mouthing LEED and the USGBC and start promoting them instead). Politics are alive and well within the USGBC. You should be able to find the ID point in the CIRs on the USGBC web site. You need a registered project to gain access to this. Melissa J. Aguiar, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: melissaaguiar Post Number: 112 Registered: 12-2003 Posted on Tuesday, October 07, 2008 - 02:27 pm:    Anony, Please understand I know your fustrations. I did not want to start a political debate on this topic. All areas of life have some type of agenda, including our beloved CSI, not one organization is immune from it. From the links above, it seems to be a good initiative. I will look for the ID points on the CIRs on the USGBC website as suggested. Thanks so much and I hope you have a great day! Take care. Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 9 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Friday, October 10, 2008 - 11:49 am:    Melissa, Thanks for the question. I've never had a client ask for this. Let us know what you learn. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Friday, October 24, 2008 - 04:49 pm:    http://www.c2ccertified.com/ The USGBC has suggested the following Intent, Requirements and Submittals for this Innovation in Design application: Intent Help stimulate the development of environmentally focused product evaluation and certification tools for use by building professionals. Requirements Use Cradle to Cradle Certified building materials and products for 2.5% of the total value of all building materials and products used in the project, based on cost. The "cost value" of products for the purposes of this calculation will be discounted by 50% for Silver level products and doubled for products certified at the platinum level: * Cost value of products = (Silver x 0.5) + Gold + (Platinum x 2) Submittals Spreadsheet matrix using "Default Materials Value," calculating * Total construction costs (hard costs for CSI Master Format 1995 Divisions 2-10 only) * Default materials cost (total Divisions 2-10 construction cost x 0.45) OR using "Actual Materials Value," calculating * Actual materials cost (excluding labor and equipment) (hard costs for CSI Master Format 1995 Divisions 2-10 only) o Material Name/Description o Manufacturer o Total Material Cost ($) o Percent Of Product C2C Certified (% by Weight) o Compliant Product Value o Adjusted value (Silver and nutrients x 0.5, Platinum x2) * Total "cost value" ($) of C2C certified materials C2C certified material value as a percentage of total materials cost To qualify for this Innovation in Design credit, the percentage of C2C certified materials must be at least 2.5% of the total materials cost. Anonymous   Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 06:32 pm:    And here is an article that spells out just how SMART certified products meet LEED requirements for in Innovation in Design credit: http://www.edcmag.com/Articles/Feature_Article/BNP_GUID_9-5-2006_A_10000000000000201264 Anonymous   Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 05:13 pm:    Instead of wasting time and money going for c2c certification, you'd be MUCH better off with the more credible, more transparent, less expensive, and better SMART system that LEED also recognizes and allows in exactly the same way it does c2c. For more on SMART, c2c and His Emminence Bill McDonough please read this excellent article: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/130/the-mortal-messiah.html Anonymous   Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 - 05:25 pm:    Here's a link to SMART for building products: http://mts.sustainableproducts.com/ApprovedSMARTBuildingProductStandard12-15-06.pdf