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David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt

Post Number: 1920
Registered: 03-2002


Posted on Friday, April 29, 2022 - 02:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I cannot seem to find the MasterFormat Numbers and Titles webpage. Where did it go?
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC
Margaret G. Chewning FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: presbspec

Post Number: 352
Registered: 01-2003
Posted on Friday, April 29, 2022 - 02:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I've always gone to MasterFormat.com
It took me to the CSI Website, and with login you can get to all revisions made after 2010, Not sure how to get the entire list unless you already have an edition to start with, Otherwise you would need to purchase the latest edition.
J. Peter Jordan
Senior Member
Username: jpjordan

Post Number: 1180
Registered: 05-2004
Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2022 - 05:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

See https://www.csiresources.org/csiredesign/standards/masterformat/mf-sub You must be a member to access this site.
J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1460
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2022 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

https://www.csiresources.org/standards/masterformat/masterformat-applications-guide

You now have to enter through the application guide.

Please send in your complaints to CSI. I have. I don't know why we are forced to drill deeper for no reason. No added benefit, just someone at CSI deciding to fix something else that's not broken.
Gail Ann J. Goldstead, AIA, CSI, CCS, CDT, LEED AP, BD+C
Senior Member
Username: ggoldstead

Post Number: 33
Registered: 03-2015


Posted on Monday, May 02, 2022 - 10:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I went to this web page. Does anyone know: What does CSI mean when they say: This is a legacy version of the Numbers and Titles lookup tool and may not be supported in future versions of MasterFormat.
The new version of this tool can be found at the following link: Numbers and Titles (Nothing shows up). What is going on with CSI MasterFormat?
Gail Goldstead
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1461
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Monday, May 02, 2022 - 11:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

You can either use the link below or, if you go in the "front door" you now have to reach MF via the Application Guide link (see my previous post).

The legacy version is an outdated copy of MF.

The link they provide should take you to the current MF here:
https://www.csiresources.org/standards/masterformat/mf-numbers-and-titles
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman

Post Number: 1608
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Monday, May 02, 2022 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The legacy version is the system that was used previously on the website. The new version uses the Crosswalk API. When MasterFormat is revised, only the new version will be updated and the legacy version will likely be removed.
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1462
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Monday, May 02, 2022 - 01:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Hi Ron. Thank you for chiming in. I always appreciate your input.

Can you please provide some explanation of what the Crosswalk API specifically does to/for MF and how it affects us as users of this Standard?

Honestly I haven't had time to delve into it and have no idea what it means or does.

Many thanks!
Ken
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman

Post Number: 1609
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Monday, May 02, 2022 - 04:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Crosswalk provides access to CSI's classification standards (OmniClass, UniFormat, and MasterFormat) so that the standards can be easily integrated into any software application. Thus, when CSI revises the standard, software developers do not need to revise their applications. The same applies to the MasterFormat tool on the CSI website.

When any CSI classification standard is updated, it only needs to be input once in Crosswalk, and everyone with licensed access will have the most current information in real-time.

Crosswalk can also provide cross-referencing to CSI's other standards if the application provides that capability. Crosswalk will eventually provide cross-referencing to other classification systems in the industry in the future, such as ASTM's UNIFORMAT II and the UK's UniClass.
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn

Post Number: 18
Registered: 11-2021
Posted on Friday, May 06, 2022 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

So... Does this mean we can access Uniformat online the way we access MasterFormat with the Numbers and Titles Tool? That would be nice...

(When I look on the CSI site and click on the "Access with Crosswalk" link, it just directs you to the Crosswalk site. \_("/)_/)

(I have the sinking feeling that in the not too distant future, the "free to CSI members" Numbers and Titles tool will be by subscription only. I already pay a lot of money to CSI for the membership, and all the letters after my name. I hope they don't take the one free thing I consistently use.)
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman

Post Number: 1610
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Friday, May 06, 2022 - 01:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

That has not been discussed yet but could be a possibility in the future.
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn

Post Number: 21
Registered: 11-2021
Posted on Monday, May 09, 2022 - 06:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Ron Geren: "That has not been discussed yet but could be a possibility in the future."

Does that mean accessing Uniformat free and on line via a "Numbers and Titles" type tool will be a possibility in the future? (Yay! Hooray!)

Or does it mean that charging CSI members to access the Numbers and Titles tool will be a possibility in the future? (Boo! Hiss!)

Thanks!
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman

Post Number: 1611
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Monday, May 09, 2022 - 08:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I cannot say for sure, but I doubt CSI would charge members access.

The MasterFormat Tool on the CSI website is free to CSI members, so I would expect a similar UniFormat Tool would be free to CSI members.
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS
Senior Member
Username: awhitacre

Post Number: 1474
Registered: 07-2002


Posted on Monday, May 16, 2022 - 03:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I was looking for an updated version of Section format and the CSI site is taking me in circles. Also -- does anyone know when the Section format was last updated? I don't see a date on the cover of the PDF, and if it is the same as last time, I don't want to buy it again.
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Senior Member
Username: specman

Post Number: 1613
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Monday, May 16, 2022 - 03:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

It was last updated in 2008. There is a new printing with the current branding and formatting, but the content has not changed since 2008.
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn

Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2021
Posted on Tuesday, May 17, 2022 - 04:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Anne Whitacre -- SectionFormat is part of the PDPG digital package and the PDF can be downloaded. I realized that a little late after I bought a(nother) version of UniFormat.
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn

Post Number: 50
Registered: 11-2021
Posted on Friday, October 14, 2022 - 08:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The MasterFormat... Oops! I mean the MASTERFORMAT(TM) Classification System* Numbers and Titles tool seems to be gone again! I went through the various links, and I get a big blank. I have to use the "legacy" version.

I still think eventually they are going to gouge us, I mean, charge us for using it.


(* - This according to the Brand Standards. Don't want to get in trouble for using MASTERFORMAT(TM) Classification System incorrectly. )



MASTERFORMAT(TM) Classification System
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1523
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Friday, October 14, 2022 - 11:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Nope, it's still there - https://www.csiresources.org/standards/masterformat/mf-numbers-and-titles as long as you're still a paid-up member.

After logging in to csiresources.org, instead of having easy access you now have to:
Click on Standards
Click on MasterFormat (screw them)
Click on Applications Guide (members only)
Click on Numbers and Titles.

If any manufacturer did this we would use someone else's product.

WTF ever happened to www.masterformat.com? That worked just fine thank you. It wasn't broken. Who fixed it and why?
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1524
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Friday, October 14, 2022 - 11:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I received this via email today:

CSI standards at your fingertip
This new tool connects MasterFormat, UniFormat, and OmniClass, offering users the ability to translate classifications between standards, look up numbers and titles, and view related terms, all from Microsoft Word.

Learn more at our upcoming webinar on October 27 at 4 p.m. ET (you'll need to access your email for a link to register for the session) to see Crosswalk for Microsoft Word in action.

Is this tool free to members? Heck no!

Delving a little deeper, https://www.crosswalk.biz/crosswalk-for-microsoft-word

it doesn't sound like it's good deal for members at $495/year.
James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS
Senior Member
Username: jsandoz

Post Number: 358
Registered: 06-2005
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2022 - 09:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Gulp!
Phil Kabza
Senior Member
Username: phil_kabza

Post Number: 729
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Monday, October 17, 2022 - 02:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

CSI is moving into Microsoft Word just in time for MasterSpec to kick us out of Microsoft Word?
Phil Kabza FCSI CCS AIA
SpecGuy Specifications Consultants
www.SpecGuy.com
phil@specguy.com
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
Senior Member
Username: david_axt

Post Number: 1964
Registered: 03-2002


Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2022 - 11:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Good point Phil!

I just use MasterSpec's section numbers and titles. Occassionally I have to create a new section. In that case I do use the online MasterFormat. Usually the specific material I am looking for is not listed so I use MasterFormat to get me in the ballpark. More often that not, I ask the fine people on this forum for their advice on what section number/title to use.
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC
J Peter Jordan (Unregistered Guest)
Unregistered guest
Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2022 - 12:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I just went to the MasterFormat pages on the CSI website and they were there (both the current version and the legacy version).
Loretta Sheridan
Senior Member
Username: leshrdn

Post Number: 52
Registered: 11-2021
Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2022 - 07:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

BTW, if you read the CSI brand standards, it isn't "I just use MasterSpec's section numbers and titles.." but rather "I just use MASTERFORMAT (TM) classification system section numbers and titles."

If I knew how to make an eyeroll emoji, I would.

;-)
George Wade Bevier (Unregistered Guest)
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2022 - 03:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

At the recent CSI Conference in Denver, I pointed out to the "Crosswalk for WORD" representative
That the two largest Specifications Subscription services (RIB & Deltek) are both database configured (or headed in that direction) and being an "add-on" to the WORD program was going to be rapidly becoming obsolete and other platforms such as PDF and BlueBeam might also need to be considered.
The response was positive and the indication was that this initial launch was getting the system into the user stream and that other options were being considered and developed as they were discovered
Phil Kabza
Senior Member
Username: phil_kabza

Post Number: 731
Registered: 12-2002


Posted on Monday, October 24, 2022 - 08:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I've been using MasterFormat online for years as a CSI member benefit, similar to David's description above. I'm reaching out to learn why I should now spend $495.00 a year to cross-index MF with Uniformat and Omniclass, when I have practiced for 35 years without either one of those systems.
Phil Kabza FCSI CCS AIA
SpecGuy Specifications Consultants
www.SpecGuy.com
phil@specguy.com
ken hercenberg
Senior Member
Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1532
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Monday, October 24, 2022 - 08:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Well, I use UniFormat but I have a copy in the CSPG.

I suppose if I'm not particular I can use http://uniformat.com/ for free.

Why don't I have access to the CSI UniFormat online for free?

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