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David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP
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Username: david_axt

Post Number: 1884
Registered: 03-2002


Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 07:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Currently I have been specifying sliding vinyl terrace doors in Section 085313 Vinyl Windows. Though they are made by the same manufacturer, they are not really windows.

Where would you specify them?
David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP
Specifications Consultant
Axt Consulting LLC
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
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Username: specman

Post Number: 1602
Registered: 03-2003


Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 08:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

A couple of locations are possible:

08 15 73 - Sliding Plastic Doors
08 17 33 - Integrated Plastic Door Opening Assemblies
Ron Geren, FCSI Lifetime Member, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSC, SCIP
ken hercenberg
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Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1401
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 08:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

08 15 73 - Sliding Plastic Doors?
ken hercenberg
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Username: khercenberg

Post Number: 1402
Registered: 12-2006


Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 08:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Slow hotspot;D
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
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Username: michael_chusid

Post Number: 624
Registered: 10-2003


Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 10:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

1. If you want both products from the same manufacturer and installer, then continue specifying them as you are. The bidders will find them.

2. What is a "terrace door"?
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS 1-818-219-4937
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Gail Ann J. Goldstead, AIA, CSI, CCS, CDT, LEED AP, BD+C
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Username: ggoldstead

Post Number: 30
Registered: 03-2015


Posted on Friday, August 27, 2021 - 09:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I agree with Michael Chusid. At Ryan A+E, (part of the Ryan Companies), we have customized combined the windows spec section for bidder convenience on most of our Senior Living type projects. Vinyl-clad Patio and Terrace Doors are specified in the same section as the vinyl windows, primarily because they are supplied by the same manufacturer (i.e. Anderson or Pella) and installed by the same installer.
Gail Goldstead
John Bunzick
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Username: bunzick

Post Number: 1860
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, August 30, 2021 - 12:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I don't have the latest NAFS standard available to me, but a "Terrace Door" was a particular product type with relatively stringent standards. As I recall, they also were swinging, not sliding. When specifying the doors, you may want to align your terminology with the NAFS standard, if you're using that for performance

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