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Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap
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Username: lgoodrob

Post Number: 291
Registered: 08-2004
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 11:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

CSI’s MasterFormat Maintenance Task Team has approved the following new sections to MasterFormat 2016:

00 01 03 – Project Directory
07 05 43 – Cladding Support Systems
07 42 29 – Terra Cotta Wall Panels
07 54 16 – Ketone Ethylene Ester Roofing
08 46 00 – Window Wall Assemblies
08 65 00 – Glazed Canopies
08 65 13 – Suspended Glazed Canopies
08 81 23 – Exterior Glass Glazing
08 81 26 – Interior Glass Glazing
09 78 19 – Cementitious Interior Wall Paneling
09 78 23 – Phenolic Interior Wall Paneling
10 28 26 – Hygiene and Custodial Accessories
11 14 19 – Portable Posts and Railings
13 19 19 – Animal Washing Tubs
32 18 23.63 – Equestiran Surfacing
Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEED® AP
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Username: ecwhitby

Post Number: 263
Registered: 03-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Equestrian Surfacing: Horse blankets?
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
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Username: michael_chusid

Post Number: 117
Registered: 10-2003

Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I proposed Equestrian Surfacing. It can be used for the specially treated soils and other ground and floor products used in dressage, rodeo, and other equestrian arenas, stables, and corrals.

I appreciate Ellis's sense of humor, however.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru
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Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Terracotta Wall Panels in 2014 and earlier versions.
Terra Cotta Wall Panels in 2016.
Terra-Cotta Wall Panels in 2018?

I once learned in English class that a general rule was compound words (combined, or with hyphen) were used as adjectives rather than nouns.

"My junkyard dog guards my junk yard."

"I clad this project with terra cotta.
"I clad this project with [terracotta] [terra-cotta] wall panels."
Sheldon Wolfe
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Username: sheldon_wolfe

Post Number: 898
Registered: 01-2003

Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 03:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Terracotta off to a slow start; in the back stretch, Terra-Cotta jumps to a commanding lead; at the curve, Terra Cotta challenges; coming out of the curve, Terracotta takes control; and at the finish, it's Terracotta by several lengths.

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George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA
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Username: geverding

Post Number: 822
Registered: 11-2004

Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 04:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

For what it is worth, manufacturers Boston Valley and Gladding Mc Bean use Terra Cotta. The NPS uses Terra-cotta in their Preservation Brief.
Dave Metzger
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Username: davemetzger

Post Number: 624
Registered: 07-2001

Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 04:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I cotta say, this is turning into a holy terra of a thread.
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Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 02:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Staying consistent with other 07 54 XX sections should also mean the change to 07 54 16 should be "Ketone-Ethylene-Ester Roofing"
Ron Beard CCS
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Username: rm_beard_ccs

Post Number: 434
Registered: 10-2002

Posted on Friday, February 12, 2016 - 07:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Can Equestiran Surfacing be removed by shoveling?
"Fast is good, but accurate is better."
.............Wyatt Earp
Christopher Borcsok
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Username: ckb

Post Number: 50
Registered: 06-2013
Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 05:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The MF2016 Numbers and Titles was posted last week at http://csinet.org/numbersandtitles.

Read through it, and from an M&E point of view I'm very impressed. It's like someone has been reading my mind of things that were missing.

It will still take my brain quite a bit of time to go through the complete rewrite of Division 28, hopefully they post a transition tool to convert from 2004-2014 numbers to 2016, similar for 1995 to 2004.

Some of my pleasant discoveries thus far:
-Sleeves and Seals
-Breaking out lighting by source (kudos to Michael Heinsdorf for this?)
-Different kinds of air coils

Looks like the Revisions webpage at http://www.masterformat.com/revisions/ has not yet been updated.
Michael Heinsdorf, P.E.
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Username: michael_heinsdorf_pe

Post Number: 29
Registered: 01-2014
Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2016 - 02:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Credit for the lighting breakout goes to MasterSpec's Engineering Review Committee, who reviewed several methods of breaking out the lighting and decided that was the way that made the most sense.

There is more coming on the ME side - we've already started putting together several proposals for MF2018.
Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS
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Username: louis_medcalf

Post Number: 65
Registered: 11-2010
Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 01:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

When can we get rid of the plaguy gerunds peculiar to architectural sections? "Tiling" is the process of applying tile, not the work result of installed tile. And the gerund titles are inconsistent: 07 9200 is not "Sealing," nor do we have "Lockering," "Roof Accessorizing," "Toilet Compartmenting," "Operable Partitioning," or "Elevatoring." The engineering divisions manage to avoid such titling. ;->
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
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Username: michael_chusid

Post Number: 143
Registered: 10-2003

Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Louis, If we change "tiling" section to "tile", should we also change "ceiling" to "ceil"?

I proposed the revitalization of "ceil" in an article last year. See http://www.ceilume.com/static/pdfs/ceu-ceil-with-thermoformed-tiles.pdf.
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS
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Christopher Borcsok
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Username: ckb

Post Number: 51
Registered: 06-2013
Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2016 - 05:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Interesting read on the Div 28 changes:

Also, looks like the revisions have been posted:
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP
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Username: bunzick

Post Number: 1673
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Monday, May 16, 2016 - 11:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

The article in Specifier magazine was interesting. The author comments that the security "industries have not done a good job of effectively engaging with CSI in general and, more specifically, keeping MasterFormat Division 28 relevant." I recall 20 years back when these industries desperately wanted to create "Division 17" and were thwarted for a while. When new divisions were created in MasterFormat, the industry got what they wanted - but they apparently did not engage in keeping it useful. Hopefully this new standing committee from the Security Industry Association will keep MasterFormat more relevant.
Christopher Borcsok
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Username: ckb

Post Number: 52
Registered: 06-2013
Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2016 - 06:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

So I'm a bit confused by the newly revised Division 28, and specifically how it relates to door hardware, especially with the deletion/renumbering of 08 74 00.

Where do Electromagnetic Door Holders now go? They used to be in 08 74 00, but I've seen jobs where it gets farmed to the EE to specify them, especially as related to a fire alarm system. I don't think they belong in 28 15 15 (where 08 74 00 essentially got moved to).

Most often they get put in for a door that is left "normally open", and closed by the fire alarm system. Alternatively, I suppose there is a case where a door held open can be left open during "business hours" and released by the access control system to be normally closed off hours to support the 28 15 15 idea? I've never actually encountered this scenario. Can anyone enlighten me or make a suggestion?
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Username: justatim

Post Number: 94
Registered: 04-2010
Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 07:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I understand that Division 17 is RESERVED for peopled to pin pet peeves onto.
George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA
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Username: geverding

Post Number: 834
Registered: 11-2004

Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 01:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

Keep all door hardware in 08 8700 regardless of whether it is electronic or not. Most distributors furnish doors, frames, and hardware, and it is they who can most effectively coordinate the prep. Electromagnetic hold opens, like any other electronic or electrically operated hardware, need to be identified on the appropriate electrical drawings so that rough-ins are not missed.

Related to your thought of closing the door by powering off the hold open after business hours, I have also used this technique to secure doors in schools from a central location during lockdowns.
William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS
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Username: wpegues

Post Number: 949
Registered: 10-2002

Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 01:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostPrint Post

I agree with George here on the issue of locating the actual door hardware - at least the items that are in the architect's scope of work. For us, some items are not in our scope of work such as contact switches for monitoring the door and some other exotic types of security systems. In our hardware schedule of sets, for those sets where these items not in our scope are present, we put a note that refers to coordinate with (typically) the Owner's security consultant.

What I usually see in the Division 28 sections even when its not been pre-coordinated with our consultants putting it together is just how these different devices are required to be connected and interface with elements like the security system, the fire alarm system, etc. And typically it refers to the division 8 hardware section for the specific item selection itself. They don't want to be picking hardware items and we don't want to be talking about wiring/connectivity.

I have had very few instances of using hold opens to close a door based on time/access requirements. So its a yes, but rare. Reason being that its much easier to control through electric locks that interface with the security where they can open them individually from the central security station, or they open or lock based on programed times. That way you don't need to send someone through the facility opening doors manually.
William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS, SCIP Affiliate
WDG Architecture, Washington, DC | Dallas, TX

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