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Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob
Post Number: 291 Registered: 08-2004
| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 11:47 am: | |
CSI’s MasterFormat Maintenance Task Team has approved the following new sections to MasterFormat 2016: 00 01 03 – Project Directory 07 05 43 – Cladding Support Systems 07 42 29 – Terra Cotta Wall Panels 07 54 16 – Ketone Ethylene Ester Roofing 08 46 00 – Window Wall Assemblies 08 65 00 – Glazed Canopies 08 65 13 – Suspended Glazed Canopies 08 81 23 – Exterior Glass Glazing 08 81 26 – Interior Glass Glazing 09 78 19 – Cementitious Interior Wall Paneling 09 78 23 – Phenolic Interior Wall Paneling 10 28 26 – Hygiene and Custodial Accessories 11 14 19 – Portable Posts and Railings 13 19 19 – Animal Washing Tubs 32 18 23.63 – Equestiran Surfacing - |
Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEED® AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby
Post Number: 263 Registered: 03-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:14 pm: | |
Equestrian Surfacing: Horse blankets? ;-p |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:23 pm: | |
I proposed Equestrian Surfacing. It can be used for the specially treated soils and other ground and floor products used in dressage, rodeo, and other equestrian arenas, stables, and corrals. I appreciate Ellis's sense of humor, however. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 01:51 pm: | |
Terracotta Wall Panels in 2014 and earlier versions. Terra Cotta Wall Panels in 2016. Terra-Cotta Wall Panels in 2018? I once learned in English class that a general rule was compound words (combined, or with hyphen) were used as adjectives rather than nouns. "My junkyard dog guards my junk yard." "I clad this project with terra cotta. "I clad this project with [terracotta] [terra-cotta] wall panels." |
Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe
Post Number: 898 Registered: 01-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 03:18 pm: | |
Terracotta off to a slow start; in the back stretch, Terra-Cotta jumps to a commanding lead; at the curve, Terra Cotta challenges; coming out of the curve, Terracotta takes control; and at the finish, it's Terracotta by several lengths. Ngram Viewer results |
George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: geverding
Post Number: 822 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 04:04 pm: | |
For what it is worth, manufacturers Boston Valley and Gladding Mc Bean use Terra Cotta. The NPS uses Terra-cotta in their Preservation Brief. |
Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger
Post Number: 624 Registered: 07-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 04:42 pm: | |
I cotta say, this is turning into a holy terra of a thread. |
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| Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2016 - 02:12 pm: | |
Staying consistent with other 07 54 XX sections should also mean the change to 07 54 16 should be "Ketone-Ethylene-Ester Roofing" |
Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs
Post Number: 434 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 12, 2016 - 07:39 pm: | |
Can Equestiran Surfacing be removed by shoveling? "Fast is good, but accurate is better." .............Wyatt Earp |
Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb
Post Number: 50 Registered: 06-2013
| Posted on Monday, April 25, 2016 - 05:36 pm: | |
The MF2016 Numbers and Titles was posted last week at http://csinet.org/numbersandtitles. Read through it, and from an M&E point of view I'm very impressed. It's like someone has been reading my mind of things that were missing. It will still take my brain quite a bit of time to go through the complete rewrite of Division 28, hopefully they post a transition tool to convert from 2004-2014 numbers to 2016, similar for 1995 to 2004. Some of my pleasant discoveries thus far: -Sleeves and Seals -Breaking out lighting by source (kudos to Michael Heinsdorf for this?) -Different kinds of air coils Looks like the Revisions webpage at http://www.masterformat.com/revisions/ has not yet been updated. |
Michael Heinsdorf, P.E. Senior Member Username: michael_heinsdorf_pe
Post Number: 29 Registered: 01-2014
| Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2016 - 02:00 pm: | |
Credit for the lighting breakout goes to MasterSpec's Engineering Review Committee, who reviewed several methods of breaking out the lighting and decided that was the way that made the most sense. There is more coming on the ME side - we've already started putting together several proposals for MF2018. |
Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf
Post Number: 65 Registered: 11-2010
| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 01:19 pm: | |
When can we get rid of the plaguy gerunds peculiar to architectural sections? "Tiling" is the process of applying tile, not the work result of installed tile. And the gerund titles are inconsistent: 07 9200 is not "Sealing," nor do we have "Lockering," "Roof Accessorizing," "Toilet Compartmenting," "Operable Partitioning," or "Elevatoring." The engineering divisions manage to avoid such titling. ;-> |
Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: michael_chusid
Post Number: 143 Registered: 10-2003
| Posted on Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:50 pm: | |
Louis, If we change "tiling" section to "tile", should we also change "ceiling" to "ceil"? I proposed the revitalization of "ceil" in an article last year. See http://www.ceilume.com/static/pdfs/ceu-ceil-with-thermoformed-tiles.pdf. Michael Chusid, RA FCSI CCS www.chusid.com www.buildingproduct.guru |
Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb
Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2013
| Posted on Thursday, May 12, 2016 - 05:48 pm: | |
Interesting read on the Div 28 changes: http://www.constructionspecifier.com/remaking-division-28-specifying-electronic-safety-and-security-with-masterformat-2016/ Also, looks like the revisions have been posted: http://www.masterformat.com/revisions/ |
John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick
Post Number: 1673 Registered: 03-2002
| Posted on Monday, May 16, 2016 - 11:48 am: | |
The article in Specifier magazine was interesting. The author comments that the security "industries have not done a good job of effectively engaging with CSI in general and, more specifically, keeping MasterFormat Division 28 relevant." I recall 20 years back when these industries desperately wanted to create "Division 17" and were thwarted for a while. When new divisions were created in MasterFormat, the industry got what they wanted - but they apparently did not engage in keeping it useful. Hopefully this new standing committee from the Security Industry Association will keep MasterFormat more relevant. |
Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb
Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2013
| Posted on Tuesday, November 01, 2016 - 06:31 pm: | |
So I'm a bit confused by the newly revised Division 28, and specifically how it relates to door hardware, especially with the deletion/renumbering of 08 74 00. Where do Electromagnetic Door Holders now go? They used to be in 08 74 00, but I've seen jobs where it gets farmed to the EE to specify them, especially as related to a fire alarm system. I don't think they belong in 28 15 15 (where 08 74 00 essentially got moved to). Most often they get put in for a door that is left "normally open", and closed by the fire alarm system. Alternatively, I suppose there is a case where a door held open can be left open during "business hours" and released by the access control system to be normally closed off hours to support the 28 15 15 idea? I've never actually encountered this scenario. Can anyone enlighten me or make a suggestion? |
Justatim Senior Member Username: justatim
Post Number: 94 Registered: 04-2010
| Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 07:30 am: | |
I understand that Division 17 is RESERVED for peopled to pin pet peeves onto. |
George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: geverding
Post Number: 834 Registered: 11-2004
| Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 01:31 pm: | |
Keep all door hardware in 08 8700 regardless of whether it is electronic or not. Most distributors furnish doors, frames, and hardware, and it is they who can most effectively coordinate the prep. Electromagnetic hold opens, like any other electronic or electrically operated hardware, need to be identified on the appropriate electrical drawings so that rough-ins are not missed. Related to your thought of closing the door by powering off the hold open after business hours, I have also used this technique to secure doors in schools from a central location during lockdowns. |
William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues
Post Number: 949 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2016 - 01:43 pm: | |
I agree with George here on the issue of locating the actual door hardware - at least the items that are in the architect's scope of work. For us, some items are not in our scope of work such as contact switches for monitoring the door and some other exotic types of security systems. In our hardware schedule of sets, for those sets where these items not in our scope are present, we put a note that refers to coordinate with (typically) the Owner's security consultant. What I usually see in the Division 28 sections even when its not been pre-coordinated with our consultants putting it together is just how these different devices are required to be connected and interface with elements like the security system, the fire alarm system, etc. And typically it refers to the division 8 hardware section for the specific item selection itself. They don't want to be picking hardware items and we don't want to be talking about wiring/connectivity. I have had very few instances of using hold opens to close a door based on time/access requirements. So its a yes, but rare. Reason being that its much easier to control through electric locks that interface with the security where they can open them individually from the central security station, or they open or lock based on programed times. That way you don't need to send someone through the facility opening doors manually. William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS, SCIP Affiliate WDG Architecture, Washington, DC | Dallas, TX |