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Author Message J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 869 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 11:20 am:    I have a section that I have generated for slat wall (wood-based wall paneling with slots for retail display and storage stuff. I generated a Division 06 Section although I have never been comfortable with the number. Now I have a request for a metal product that has a similar function. Does anyone have any suggestions for where I should put it? Someplace in Division 10 seems most appropriate, but am not sure where. Any suggestions? John Hunter Senior Member Username: johnhunter Post Number: 127 Registered: 12-2005 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 11:35 am:    Even though it's really a merchandising material, it seems like it might fit in 10 1143 Visual Display Wall Panels. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1347 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 11:51 am:    I would consider it more of a specialty item rather than a piece of equipment. Although storage specialties has similar items for clothing, I wouldn't consider the display system as a storage specialty. It could be considered a visual display as suggested above, but I think a new 10 20 00 Interior Specialties number and title might be better suited for the application. How about 10 29 00 Merchandise Display Specialties? Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Richard Gonser AIA CSI CCCA SCIP Senior Member Username: rich_gonser Post Number: 114 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 12:24 pm:    I would tend to agree with Ron here even though I've used "06 64 19.10 - SLATWALL DISPLAY WALL COVERING". When you dig into it it is not the wall panel itself. It is all about about the brackets and shelves that work with it. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 604 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 12:25 pm:    I agree that it's more a specialty than it is equipment; it doesn't really fit with the products (sorry, work results) in 112100 Retail and Service Equipment. Nor is it a fit with what is included in 101100 Visual Display Units. However, a new Level 2 listing for one type of product may be overkill. Although it's not really storage, the best fit I can see with existing listings is 105633 Mercantile Storage Assemblies. Going out on a limb, another possibility is a new section under 097800 Interior Wall Paneling, following existing 097813 Metal Interior Wall Paneling. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1348 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 01:05 pm:    Dave, I don't think a new Level 2 listing would be overkill. There are multiple types of display systems that I would not consider equipment, but are variations of a theme and not just the slotted rack system described by Peter. I don't think this would be any different than many other Level 2 numbers in MF (e.g. smoke seals, roll roofing, etc.). Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 605 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 01:17 pm:    You can be very convincing Ron; guess that's why you're a spec god. I suggest you send this as a request to CSI for consideration by the MasterFormat Maintenance Task Team. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1349 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 01:46 pm:    No, Sheldon is the spec god...I'll just settle for spec archangel. Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 870 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 07:00 pm:    I like Ron's suggestion. I would not have changed my Division 06 section if this stuff had not been all metal. Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 874 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 08:22 pm:    Not feeling much like a god these days... more like Rodney Dangerfield. Thank goodness for CSI friends! Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 2042 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, September 16, 2015 - 09:31 pm:    So when are *you* going to retire? James Sandoz, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: jsandoz Post Number: 179 Registered: 06-2005 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 08:58 am:    MasterFormat 2014 has a 10 11 43 Visual Display Wall Panels though I'm not exactly sure what is intended by that name. Ron, I like your suggestion too since it allows for free-standing as well as wall-mounted devices. "I don't get no respect" is, of course a double negative therefor a very apt phrase for one of my favorite comedians. One of my guilty pleasures is watching the movie Caddy Shack. It is played frequently on the golf channel(?). I'm sure it was intend that Chevy Chase, Ted Knight, and Michael O'Keefe (the Danny Noonan character) would be the stars of that movie. Instead, Bill Murray and Rodney Dangerfield stole that show in a big way. I also liked Mr. Dangerfield's role in Back to School (with Sally Kellerman) where he played a schlub who, in the end, overcomes his flaws. David J. Wyatt, CDT Senior Member Username: david_j_wyatt_cdt Post Number: 124 Registered: 03-2011 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 10:38 am:    Well, since you mentioned "Back to School," the best scene was with Sam Kinison screaming the "Say it!" which is what I feel like screaming when I read a long spec section that contains very little information. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1351 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 11:27 am:    If there was a "like" feature for a post on this forum, I would use it on the one above. ^^^ Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 875 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 01:59 pm:    Ditto. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1645 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 02:08 pm:    Visual display units are chalkboards, tackboards and whiteboards. Slatwall is a merchandizing material or fixture. When it's wood, Division 06 is fine as carpenters will install it either with or as casework, or as finish carpentry depending on the situation. For metal slatwall, it may actually be the same sort of thing: cut on site and installed by carpenters, so it could be acceptable to reside in Division 6 if the scope is not complex or large. Otherwise, to me it is pretty clearly 112100 Retail and Service Equipment. Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 509 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Thursday, September 17, 2015 - 03:18 pm:    I have also seen applications of slat wall, for example the wall behind a multi-agent car rental counter, where the slat wall is 90-percent just a wall finish, with perhaps only a small area using the retail display fittings for display of tourist maps and give away brochures.