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John Hunter Senior Member Username: johnhunter
Post Number: 125 Registered: 12-2005
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Team is looking at using 3Form's Studio Product (http://studioby3form.com/profile/specification/) which is an MDF core with a PVC or PET wrap for finish. I'm thinking it belongs in the "Wood Paneling" zone, maybe "06 4223 Plastic-Wrapped Wood Paneling"? Appreciate any thoughts. |
Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP, EDAC Senior Member Username: redseca2
Post Number: 505 Registered: 12-2006
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I think that 06 42 23 is generally used for plastic laminate covered panels. This interesting new 3Form product is a three dimensional sculpted panel with an MDF core which they also sell unfinished, so the plastic covering is only an option. I would be more inclined to concentrate on the "work result" aspect, which in this case is an interior modular wall panel with a repeating 3 dimensional pattern. The material used to achieve that result is secondary, as long as you can satisfy the requirements for impact resistance, fire resistance and so on as well as accept the finsh your designer is looking for. Particularly when from your designer's viewpoint, composite mineral panels by Modular Arts are probably an equal, with entirely different composition. http://www.modulararts.com/ I confess that when faced with this sort of puzzle in the past I have strayed from CSI guidelines with a 09 77 XX "Specialty Wall Surfacing" or 06 86 23 "Composite Wall Panels" where perhaps both the 3Form and Modular Arts products could (at least through bid) coexist. |
ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg
Post Number: 940 Registered: 12-2006
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I just wrote a spec under Composite Wall Panels for another thermofoil product similar to Modular Arts. Seemed like the right place to put it. |
Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS SCIP Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting
Post Number: 176 Registered: 03-2006
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I have used 06 2614 "Mineral Composite Profiled Paneling" to specify the Mineral Arts product. Maybe a more generic title "Composite Profiled Paneling" would allow for various other material combinations in this product category. Jeffrey Wilson CCS CSI SCIP Wilson Consulting Inc Ardmore PA |
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman
Post Number: 1331 Registered: 03-2003
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I'm sending out a project today that started with that very product. Initially, the architect wanted the panels, so I had them specified in Section 06 25 00 "Prefinished Paneling." They eventually went to the small tile version of the large panels, so I created a new title and number: Section 09 30 43 "Wood Tiling." Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com |
Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman
Post Number: 1332 Registered: 03-2003
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I'll explain my rationale for using 06 25 00 initially for the panels: 06 20 00 "Finished Carpentry" is described in MF as "finish wood construction that can be purchased ready-made and installed by a finish carpenter, not requiring the specialized skills of architectural woodwork fabrication." The description for 06 25 00 states it is for "prefinished standard hardboard paneling and other ready-made wood product paneling." This Level 2 number includes two Level 3 numbers for hardboard and plywood cores, but another number for MDF cores could be included. I personally would not include "profiled" or "sculptured" in the section title (although there's nothing that says you can't)--I would leave that as a product characteristic, much like perforations in linear metal ceilings. Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com |
George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding
Post Number: 803 Registered: 11-2004
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Just an observation here - for all the hand-wringers and nay-sayers who objected to MF04 and 50 divisions and 6 digits, this discussion illustrates precisely one of the major benefits of the "new" - now more than decade old - system. MasterFormat is a living document and is periodically updated because products and processes continually evolve. It has vacant slots for things that might not fit neatly elsewhere. |
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