Level 5 numbers in practice

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Author Message Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb Post Number: 43 Registered: 06-2013 Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2015 - 11:01 am:    The applications guide makes it clear that Level 5 numbers are for internal use only, but I'm curious if anyone can post specific examples of what they are using in practice. I'm trying to come up with an office standard for level 5 section numbers identifiers, so I can distinguish between forms of specs in a way that others in the office can easily identify. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1329 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2015 - 03:00 pm:    As an example, MasterSpec has split their metal roof and wall panel sections into separate Level 4 sections. Although I like the split sections, I don't like the use of Level 4 numbers in this case. Therefore I have retitled them as follows: 074113.00.BTNSEAM FL - METAL ROOF PANELS 074113.00.FORMED FL - METAL ROOF PANELS 074113.00.INSUL FL - METAL ROOF PANELS 074113.00.STDSEAM FL - METAL ROOF PANELS 074213.00.FORMED FL - METAL WALL PANELS 074213.00.INSUL FL - METAL WALL PANELS 074213.00.MCM FL - METAL WALL PANELS 074213.00.PLATE FL - METAL WALL PANELS Each section is numbered and titled 07 41 13 "Metal Roof Panels" or 07 42 13 "Metal Wall Panels," but the content of each is based on the specific type of panel described in the Level 5 designation. I do the same for a set of Division 01 sections for a particular client. I have each section with the same number and title as my master Division 01 sections, but I've added "MCCCD" (Maricopa County Community College District) at the Level 5 position: 01XXXX.00.MCCCD FL - TITLE Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb Post Number: 45 Registered: 06-2013 Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2015 - 11:11 pm:    Thanks Ron. Looks like I'm following something similar, though I guess you are trying to keep the level 5 "numbers" 8 digits or less (for convenience?) What is the "FL" intended for? Wayne Yancey Senior Member Username: wayne_yancey Post Number: 750 Registered: 01-2008 Posted on Friday, July 24, 2015 - 10:28 am:    FULL LENGTH Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1527 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2015 - 11:35 pm:    Ron or Wayne, is there any list available of Level 5 numbers, I am looking at 085113 - Aluminum Windows as I need to create a Non-Operating Aluminum Window spec section? Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1367 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 12:41 am:    Jerome: Level 5 is a user-defined level, so there are no established numbers and titles. If the intent is to create individual sections with different content, you could do something as follows: 085113.00.OPER - ALUMINUM WINDOWS 085113.00.FIXED - ALUMINUM WINDOWS 085113.00.ALL - ALUMINUM WINDOWS Just a suggestion... Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 1528 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 01:04 am:    Ron the job is a commercial (private sector)project and the client is not keen to complicating the section numbers, it was hard enough to get them to accept Masterformat 2004, why can't I just go with 085113.13 for Fixed Windows, what is the purpose of the two zeros after the section number, makes no sense to me, and adding text to the Section numbers, also seems silly. What was the purpose of Masterformat 2004 to simplify all this. Ronald L. Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1368 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 09:10 am:    Jerome: Level 5 is for internal use only and is not intended to be used in project manuals. So what I suggested was a method for organizing your spec masters for different content that use the same MF number and title. The extra "00" is to ensure that numbers in an automated filing system (like computers) will place those files before files that have or don't have Level 4 numbers. In my opinion, an aluminum window is an aluminum window, whether it is fixed or operable. I don't like to get too granulated in MF numbers if I don't have to. The Summary Article can indicate that you're specifying fixed, operable, or both. But, if you want to create a Level 4 number, use what you suggested: 08 51 13.13 FIXED ALUMINUM WINDOWS. Ron Geren, FCSI, AIA, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 1656 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 01:35 pm:    I agree with Ron. If I had to write a section for fixed aluminum windows, I would keep the section number and title, and simply edit the content to be for fixed windows only. Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 2049 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2015 - 10:04 pm:    I agree with Ron, too. One section for aluminum wondows and define the operability in the section. (You might have both fixed and operable in one project / section)