Bird netting

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Author Message Ronald J. Ray, RA, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: rjray Post Number: 111 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 - 09:50 pm:    Would anyone care to suggest a specification section number and title for netting used to keep birds off exposed exterior structure elements such as wide flange beams? If anyone has a sample specification they might share, it would be most appreciated. ronald-ray@sbcglobal.net Thanks, Ron Robert W. Johnson Senior Member Username: robert_w_johnson Post Number: 229 Registered: 03-2009 Posted on Wednesday, April 17, 2013 - 11:03 pm:    10 81 13 Bird Control Devices Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 637 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 08:32 am:    Somewhere I have a picture of a couple of pigeons nesting in the anti-bird wire. Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEEDŽ AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 10:02 am:    Most of this stuff is an exercise in limiting the birds. I doubt anything eliminates them. [FYI: "stuff" is a technical term.] Ronald J. Ray, RA, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: rjray Post Number: 112 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 11:27 am:    Sheldon, This is netting, similar to what is used in zoos. It's good "stuff" J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 553 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 03:08 pm:    Use a couple of lines of monofilament fishing line mounted an inch or two off the surface; birds can't see it very well. They will try to perch, but won't like the visual ambiguity and won't come back. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 628 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Thursday, April 18, 2013 - 09:10 pm:    Bob Johnson's answer seems to be a direct answer. "Bird control" is the subject, not netting or little wires sticking up to discourage/prevent bird roosting. But to the implied question, where do you specify "stuff?" I think one of the unassigned Division numbers should be used. I prefer Division 49 - Stuff. When in doubt, make up a Section number and title in Division 48. It's a lot easier than searching in Masterformat. Ellis C. Whitby, PE, CSI, AIA, LEEDŽ AP Senior Member Username: ecwhitby Post Number: 187 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 07:35 am:    John; very insightful Ronald J. Ray, RA, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: rjray Post Number: 113 Registered: 04-2004 Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 02:31 pm:    Why not Division 50 so things can start all over again? Isn't the reason the 16 division system was dumped was because mechanical engineers made up divison 17? oh wait, maybe it also had to do with someone wanting the FCSI designation. Robert W. Johnson Senior Member Username: robert_w_johnson Post Number: 230 Registered: 03-2009 Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 04:19 pm:    Ronald Thanks much for expressing your appreciation for all the people who worked on the expansion of MasterFormat 10 years ago. It's really neat to hear that you think all the time and effort invested was for self-serving reasons. Great way to encourage others to volunteer for CSI efforts. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 1340 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 05:21 pm:    actually, I think the problem was that EVERYONE was trying to invent division 17. The communications people really wanted that number too. I found in the NW that it was the electrical/electronic/communications/data protection folks that really pushed the adoption of the MF2004. I do remember when we had an office section that was 10999 --- Miscellaneous. it was for all the weird things that we were never going to use again, but needed for this particular job, and therefore there was little incentive to devise a whole new section for the item(s). Somehow people figured out how to bid that work, even though it was always the wrong number for whatever was in the section. George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 662 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Friday, April 19, 2013 - 11:43 pm:    My specification mentor used to call that 10999 section "MS" - for Miscellaneous Stuff. (Although he may have used another word than "stuff"...) I think the point is that MasterFormat gives us the framework, and it is up to us to get the oddball stuff in a logical place where everyone who uses the specification can most likely find it. And we do owe a debt of gratitude to those folks a decade ago who redid MasterFormat to make it bigger and a better fit, and to those guys a half-century ago who did MF in the first place. My wife, who is a computer professional, was complaining about meetings in her profession where everyone was spending hours arguing over file naming conventions. Her point was that everyone thinks he could invent a better system, but it doesn't really matter. Choose one, which in our case is MasterFormat, and let's get on with the work we do best... which in our case is writing effective specifications. (...so he says, now that he has to worry only about 08 71 00) George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies St. Louis, MO John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 633 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Sunday, April 21, 2013 - 03:18 am:    Many of the architect clients I work for call it "eighty-seven one hundred". I keep sending them spare zeroes but they don't seem to want to use them. So bird netting, in a Section "Ten" section, would seem okay to them. ken hercenberg Senior Member Username: khercenberg Post Number: 502 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Monday, April 22, 2013 - 01:17 pm:    Ronald, I don't know anyone who has made a fortune cashing on their FCSI. I do know a whole lot of people with FCSI after their names who have done a lot of volunteering of their time making our industry a much better one to work in. I say a whole lot of negative things about our industry, but disparaging one small group of people who have, for the most part, earned our respect shows a lot of ignorance.