Electric Vehicle Charging Stations

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Author Message David E Lorenzini Senior Member Username: deloren Post Number: 136 Registered: 04-2000 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 10:17 am:    I am researching the internet for a guide spec on an electric vehicle charging station. The first goal is to determine a MasterFormat number. The manufacturers are no help. 4specs has it listed under Section 111240, but Level 2 classification 111200 is Parking Control Equipment, which is not really the purpose of this product. The units are bolted to the floor or wall and connected to power and communications (for RFID payments). I'm wondering if anyone has specified this product before and if they felt it belongs in a different location, such as Division 26. My best choice at this point would be in the same category as warehouse battery charging stations, which I assume would be under the Level 2 classification 263300 Battery Equipment (eg, Section 263343 Battery Chargers). Since this product may grow in popularity, I'd like to use a section number and title established by consensus. If this is generally accepted, wouldn't this product be specified by the electrical consultant? David Lorenzini, FCSI, CCS Architectural Resources Co. Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 1094 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 10:59 am:    David: A similar discussion was in the CSI Specifications Practice Group on LinkedIn. My suggestion there was 11 10 00 "Vehicle and Pestrian Equipment," since it is vehicle equipment. You can create a new Level 3 number (e.g. 11 10 13) and title it what you want. Ron Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP www.specsandcodes.com Robert W. Johnson Senior Member Username: robert_w_johnson Post Number: 225 Registered: 03-2009 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 11:01 am:    See discussion at http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=1440667&type=member&item=217423244&qid=6fb097bb-bacc-4eec-95e9-befd7641fa82&trk=group_most_recent_rich-0-b-ttl&goback=%2Egmr_1440667. George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 659 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 04:30 pm:    Just out of curiousity, where do you find gas pumps, like you'd see at a filling station? Logically, I would think you'd want to find charging stations nearby. Seems to me fact that it charges a battery is less important than the fact that it fuels a car. (I guess I haven't joined the LinkedIn group yet - my application is pending. Hope I get accepted) George A. Everding AIA CSI CCS CCCA Ingersoll Rand Security Technologies St. Louis, MO Lynn Javoroski FCSI CCS LEEDŽ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 1618 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 05:03 pm:    We had a presentation a couple of years ago regarding these. The suggestions ranged from shopping center parking lots, parking structures, businesses parking lots, park-and-ride or commuter parking, to restaurants - and I'm probably forgetting some of them. Basically, they could be located anyplace you'd park your car for more than an hour or so. Because yes, you're fueling a car, but it takes longer than pumping gas. It might take that hour or more, especially if the car is pure electric and not a hybrid and you've driven for just about the extent of the battery. Or are you asking where you'd find this in MasterFormat and not in the physical world? Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 94 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 05:41 pm:    Lynn's post raises the point that charging stations are as much about parking as fueling. The vehicle occupants would typically be engaged in some activity that takes more time than it does to simply recharge the car. So specifying the units as Parking Control Equipment seems reasonable. Kind of like parking meters with benefits. Richard Gonser AIA CSI CCCA SCIP LEED Senior Member Username: rich_gonser Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2008 Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2013 - 06:27 pm:    For a complentary view battery chargers are also coverd in the fire codes. As such, I believe the fire plan reviewers would expect to see it in the same section and subject to the same rules. Depending on the battery type, there could be some off-gassing. Also some of these vehicles are still gas powered as well. Let's see, sparks and hydrocarbon fuel, hmmm... Do you expect to have a general laborer or a plumber install it? Your likely going to be connecting 460/480v cables to the device. I believe that helps to define the answer. So Dave, I am in agreement with your first response with one suggestion: use a distinct number and name such as 26 33 45 Electric Vehicle Charging Station. David E Lorenzini Senior Member Username: deloren Post Number: 137 Registered: 04-2000 Posted on Friday, March 15, 2013 - 02:30 pm:    Thanks for all the input, but the LinkedIn discussion referenced by Bob Johnson hit the nail on the head. It confirmed my suspicion that it did make sense to put it in Division 26, and it did provide a guide spec by a manufacturer. They had assigned the Division 26 number under Level 2 262700 Low-Voltage Distributiion Equipment, which also included Indoor Service Poles and Door Chimes. It made more sense to move it to 263343 Battery Chargers, but I liked the more specific title used by the manufacturer--Electric Vehicle Charging Station, and increased the number by one digit to 263344. This product will be installed in a hotel parking garage to contribute to LEED credit, so it may become more prevelent as electric cars become more popular. The best part is that I had some basis for sending the guide section to the electrical consultant for editing. David Lorenzini, FCSI, CCS Architectural Resources Co. Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 626 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Friday, March 15, 2013 - 06:36 pm:    Maybe we need a new Division. Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb Post Number: 26 Registered: 06-2013 Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 12:03 am:    Joining the LinkedIn conversation... pending. Having a look at this, GE currently lists their guide spec as "Spec Number TBD" http://www.geindustrial.com/publibrary/pubLibResult.jsp?famId=9404&src=cwc&pubType=2004%20CSI%20Master%20Format Hubbell, "Division 26, 27, 29" http://qacatalog.hubbell-wiring.com/press/pdfs/PEPCSISpecifications.pdf Schneider Electric: Section 26 27 29.10 http://static.schneider-electric.us/docs/csi-specifications/26%2027%2029.10.doc In the meantime, I concur with the placement in 26 27 xx, as we are talking about something in the same family as low voltage distribution, similar to "wiring devices" or "indoor service poles". It's a plug. I don't necessarily agree with the placement at 26 33 44, since that is all facility services related batteries, like wet cell batteries in phone switching offices, or UPS's in data centres. The charging station is very similar to a pedestal with a receptacle on it. I'm thinking that there should be a standard number for Outdoor Pedestals (outdoor equivalent to an indoor service pole), for use for receptacles, intercoms, card readers, etc, either in 26 27 xx, or under 32 39 xx.