Luminous Egress Markings

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Author Message Jerome J. Lazar, RA, CCS, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: lazarcitec Post Number: 950 Registered: 05-2003 Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 12:17 am:    Where would I specify this product? Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 448 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 03:51 am:    Currently 101443 Photoluminescent Signage. However, the next update of MasterFormat will include a new section 104500 Photoluminescent Exit Specialties which is intended to include not only photoluminescent signage related to exit and egress, but also (applied) markings for egress edges, stair edges, door frames, door handles, etc. Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 08:56 am:    I have used a section I made up: 104513 "Luminous Egress Path Markings" based on the language in the ICC. I'm glad to hear that 104500 will be introduced into MasterFormat. This follows the same logic I used to introduce a new category following "Fire Protection Specialties" rather then categorizing these devices as "signage." Christopher Borcsok Senior Member Username: ckb Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2013 Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 09:19 pm:    Having seen this come up a few times recently with the new "Running Man" exit signs being adopted in Canada with the new version of the NBC and the provincial building codes based on it, I've grown more and more against the use of externally illuminated photoluminescent exit signs. The code requires the adjacent luminaire to be continuously illuminated, thereby defeating the purpose of energy savings purported by these signs. A 3 Watt internally illuminated exit sign that is running 24/7/365 is always going to consume less energy than the ambient lighting luminaire that must be connected both to emergency power, and not be connected to any automated control means (> 3 Watt pot light, F32T8, etc). Anyone else with experience on these things? Michael Heinsdorf, P.E. Member Username: michael_heinsdorf_pe Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2014 Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 03:08 pm:    If you can wait, MasterSpec section 265219: Emergency and Exit Lighting is coming out March 2014. In the meantime, Section 265100 - Interior Lighting (which was withdrawn 12/2013, but is probably still in your library) has interior egress exit signs, both of the illuminated and luminescent variety. Jeffrey Wilson CSI CCS Senior Member Username: wilsonconsulting Post Number: 119 Registered: 03-2006 Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2014 - 09:57 am:    Michael: I presume Section 265219 will not address site-applied luminous egress path markings (such as for stair nosings, railings, exit pathways, etc.) which are req'd by the IBC in high-rise construction but are not "lighting" -- true? Do you know whether ARCOM plans to develop a Div 10 section for these systems? Michael Heinsdorf, P.E. Intermediate Member Username: michael_heinsdorf_pe Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2014 Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2014 - 02:08 pm:    Jeffrey, those markings are not covered in 265219 and I don't think they are in an existing section. I'll check with one of the writers in the Architectural side to see if there are plans to cover that product type and post back here. Michael Heinsdorf, P.E. Senior Member Username: michael_heinsdorf_pe Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2014 Posted on Friday, January 10, 2014 - 12:05 pm:    Luminous Markings are on the wishlist. However, they aren't on the current production schedule, so don't look for them in the next 15 months. Louis Medcalf, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: louis_medcalf Post Number: 21 Registered: 11-2010 Posted on Monday, February 10, 2014 - 05:04 pm:    I think they belong with signs and specify them in 10 1445 Luminous Egress Path Markings. The IBC uses that phrase and puts them in Chapter 10 Means of Egress rather than in Chapter 7 or Chapter 9 that deal with fire protection. 'Markings' don't seem to me to be related to 'fire protection' in any way: they are signs and accessories that direct persons to exits in conditions of power failure, whether or not there is a fire. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 542 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2022 - 04:05 pm:    Has anyone had success with photoluminescent paint? A client wanted to use it for a school that has concrete columns in the middle of the corridor, but 3 products we found online were actually not available, and the 4th one came in 1 gallon buckets with a lofty price tag and the product was so thick it could not even be used. The owner's and architect's goal was to find the most abuse-resistant product for luminous marking of obstacles, since the elementary school corridor would be subject to kids abrading and picking at the material. I plan to call the usual luminous tape manufacturer(s) about their marking tape (usually 1", sometimes 2") that is used like a barber pole, to see if they think it is pick resistant. That's assuming we cannot actually find a paint product that works, or that it might not be more abrasion and pick resistant anyway. For luminous paint we initially specified: 1. GloNation 2. Kosmic Kreations 3. Ready Set Glo Of those 3, the contractor reported that one company is out of business, one is only self leveling so would not work for vertical surfaces, and one will not sell in US. Then they tried Allureglow USA, available through PPG Paints or directly, (888) 493-4569, www.allureglowusa.com -- this is the product that was so thick they said they could not use it. I don't know if they checked with the manufacturer for thinning instructions. The product data claims it is "easily applied". The architect just asked me not to spec it again but to find a better luminous paint. She also asked Sherwin-Williams, who had something but is not available (they only sell to aeronautic market or something?) So I thought I might ask my fine friends here if you have had any GOOD experiences with luminous paint that you could suggest. In an old archived thread, William mentions luminous paint without naming anyone. http://discus.4specs.com/discus/messages/7463/5421.html. Since these threads are also about MasterFormat -- I see there is still a separate number and title for 101443 - Photoluminscent Signage. I had hoped it would be phased out when they added the new 104500. For now I am keeping them together in my specs and I call it 104600 - Luminous Egress Path Markings. It doesn't seem like we need separate specs for each way that the mfr and sub can comply with the requirements (signage, tapes, paints). Lisa Goodwin Robbins, RA, CCS, LEED ap Senior Member Username: lgoodrob Post Number: 401 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2022 - 06:08 pm:    Chris, We were just talking about photoluminescent products at yesterday's office meeting. We don't usually have requests for paints, because they mostly don't meet VOC requirements and have a reputation as terrible to work with. We have specified AfterGlow LLC and Performance Indicator LLC (now called Bambu LLC) photoluminescent paints. Both require a color base coat, two color top coats, and one clear coat protective finish. I don't know if anyone has actually used them on a project. Sorry I can't be more helpful. - Loretta Sheridan Intermediate Member Username: leshrdn Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2021 Posted on Wednesday, February 09, 2022 - 09:37 am:    Check out theatrical supply companies. Theatre uses a lot of photoluminescent paint. Wildfire is one brand. I don't know if they have photoluminescent paint or not, but they might. These are for theatrical applications so they will likely have the issues Lisa Goodwin Robbins brought up since it is considered a temporary application. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 544 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Friday, February 11, 2022 - 04:32 pm:    Thanks, that gives us a couple more to try. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 545 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Friday, February 11, 2022 - 04:35 pm:    Web search for Wildfire photoluminescent paint indicates it is for use under a blacklight, so I skipped that one.