Simulated Fireplaces

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Author Message Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 158 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 06:51 pm:    Where does this go? For a hospital occupancy project, I have been asked to specify a "somewhat fireplace like" decorative fireplace that uses LED lights for blue flame effects and produces zero BTU's. We had previously specified a gas fired simulated fireplace for this project. Before I modify the heck out of that Section 10 31 00 - Manufactured Fireplaces, does anyone have a better suggestion for where this should go? William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 779 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Wednesday, February 18, 2009 - 09:44 pm:    I don't know of one that uses LED lights, but I do know of electric fireplaces that are remarkably realistic. They can come with an integral electric heater as well, but you can choose to connect it, and they may have models that don't have the heater. http://www.dimplex.com and http://www.optiflame.com/ I have one in my house, its great. Gas fireplaces may be slightly more 'real' looking, but they do break down over time. The standard of practice for this is that almost no installer will repair the gas units unless its a unit that they themselves install. So, the poor end user may end up replacing what could be repaired. Manufacturers of the gas fireplaces, even the major ones, have no control over this - or don't seem to exhibit any care. The units can be built in, or free standing. I have a built in model, replaced the gas fireplace. Its set into a custom mantel/surround of marble and wood. I first saw them on the floor of the CSI Show in Chicago, when it was in Chicago for the first year of the '3 years in a row'. My unit dates from that year. They have done even more realistic things since then, and I understand they have a 2 sided unit now, though I have not seen it personally. William William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS, SCIP Affiliate WDG Architecture, Washington, DC | Dallas, TX Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 159 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 01:26 pm:    William, Thanks for the reply, and I have saved your links to my fireplace link collection. For this project, the designers are looking for something more than a little surreal that doesn't look lifelike at all: http://www.classicflame.com/built-in/zenbox.asp William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: wpegues Post Number: 780 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 01:30 pm:    oh my, what a terrible thing to do to what is essentially a very long wide screen tv -grin! I should hope it comes with other viewing options, I have seen things like this that do fires, out doors, waterfalls, etc. William William C. Pegues, FCSI, CCS, SCIP Affiliate WDG Architecture, Washington, DC | Dallas, TX Steven Bruneel, AIA, CSI-CDT, LEED-AP Senior Member Username: redseca2 Post Number: 161 Registered: 12-2006 Posted on Friday, February 20, 2009 - 01:42 pm:    I have been with my firm for 16 years now. When I was discussing this "fireplace like device" with the designer at my desk, I pulled out of my junk drawer a terribly ancient artifact called a VCR tape titled "Instant Fireplace" and suggested we just do this instead - grin. Why did I have that? It was left over from some mid '90's holiday studio decoration competition. Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, SCIP, LEED AP BD+C Senior Member Username: chris_grimm_ccs_scip Post Number: 477 Registered: 02-2014 Posted on Monday, June 03, 2019 - 08:45 pm:    Does anyone know if these "somewhat fireplace like" thingies that amount to a television display are supposed to go in the newer MF# & title 103216 - Fireplace Inserts? Not 100% sure from just the titles what exactly makes something either a fireplace insert vs. a 103100 - Manufactured Fireplace, since both are actually manufactured products, and since both are inserted into some kind of surrounding construction. I was inclined to say they should really go wherever a TV would go in Division 27, but this time it is 12 inches deep. I guess they are more than a one-channel TV set now! The latest such thingy to come across my desk is https://magikflame.com/product/28-holoflame-fireplace-insert/. The manufacturer calls them inserts, so I guess everyone is happy if I just use 103216. David G. Axt, CCS, CSI ,SCIP Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 1794 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Monday, June 03, 2019 - 10:08 pm:    David G. Axt, CCS, CSI, SCIP Specifications Consultant Axt Consulting LLC J. Peter Jordan Senior Member Username: jpjordan Post Number: 1088 Registered: 05-2004 Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 - 10:53 am:    MasterFormat says that Section 10 31 00 "Manufactured Fireplace" Includes stand-alone fireplace units regardless of heat source. We have considered specifying these for common areas in a high-rise retirement project where carbon monoxide was a more serious concern. The one we looked at (don't remember the name) projected flames onto a fine water mist spray. (Don't shoot the messenger!) J. Peter Jordan, FCSI, AIA, CCS, LEED AP, SCIP George A. Everding, FCSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 894 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 - 01:07 pm:    https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1987/02/09 Dan Helphrey Senior Member Username: dbhelphrey Post Number: 19 Registered: 12-2018 Posted on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 - 01:51 pm:    Arcat created their own section, 10 31 08, for electric fireplaces. I don't usually take Arcat as an authority, but this seems as good a solution as any.