Number for structural glass flooring?

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Author Message Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 172 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 12:20 pm:    Any suggestions? Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 628 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 12:31 pm:    New Number: 08 88 53 Structural Glass Flooring Robin E. Snyder Senior Member Username: robin Post Number: 173 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 12:41 pm:    Ron - the MF "bible" has 08 88 53 as Security Glazing Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 629 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 01:00 pm:    Oops! I stopped looking when I reached the line. Change that to: 08 88 59 ;-) Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 805 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 01:09 pm:    Just a simple question-- would there not be a case for placing this in 09 since it is a flooring system-- perhaps as another "Specialty Flooring"? Ronald L. Geren, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 630 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 01:25 pm:    I thought about that, but Division 09 is finishes, and even though the glass flooring has a finish, it isn't just a finish. Glass used in a floor system really isn't any different that glass used in a wall system--it's an opening in a floor rather than a wall. The main difference is that it has to support a different type of load. Therefore, my choice for location is Division 08. Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 806 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 01:46 pm:    Can't quarrel with that. I just came from the thought that wood flooring is in 09 and not 06, not so much as a finish, per se, but as a system. Quick uneducated thought was to equate glass to wood in this example. Anne Whitacre, FCSI CCS Senior Member Username: awhitacre Post Number: 737 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Thursday, March 20, 2008 - 03:04 pm:    most of the items in Division 9 only have to support themselves and incidental loads. While wood flooring does have to support whatever is standing on it, the ultimate support is the subfloor, not the floor "veneer" (which is a very good thing if you're talking about carpet). Glass flooring is more like a skylight in the aspect that it has to have its own structural characteristics and support system for its own and incidental loads. However, if you had glass that was just sitting on top of the subfloor, sort of like a tranparent veneer, then Ralph would probably be correct. Mark Gilligan SE, CSI Senior Member Username: mark_gilligan Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 02:28 am:    My vote is for Division 8, more specifically 084. The material and fabrication issues are similar to those for structural glass curtain walls. The suppliers of the glass would also be the same. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 260 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 08:36 am:    4specs lists glass flooring under 096240 Glass Flooring and Framing. Of the 12 manufacturers listed here, only two are among the 11 manufacturers listed under 084420 Structural Glass Curtain Walls. Many of those listed under 096240 are art glass manufacturers. Jerry Tims Senior Member Username: jtims Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2005 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 09:03 am:    Hey.......since glass block is in the masonry section, let's put structural glass flooring in the concrete section!! I'M KIDDING!! Kenneth C. Crocco Senior Member Username: kcrocco Post Number: 132 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 09:04 am:    So. . .if you have a glass interior wall does it go in division 9 as a finish? My vote (are we voting yet?) is division 8; I tend to focus, in this case, on the word "glass" rather than flooring; for some of the reasons Anne gives. By changing focus on which characteristic is most significant we can come to different divisions (flooring = 09; glass = 08). Mark Gilligan SE, CSI Senior Member Username: mark_gilligan Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2007 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 11:29 am:    If the focus is on flooring then concrete slab on grade should be moved to Division 9. Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 807 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 12:31 pm:    How about something like this? G= glass W= wood veneer C= concrete Basic Mat'l G08 W06 C03 Part of system G08 W06 C03 Self-contained G08 W-n/a C03 Flooring G09 W09 C03 Supported floor G09 W09 C-n/a In other words, where used "as itself" the mat'l stays in basic Div. When used in conjunction with other elements, would move to other appropriate Div. that reflects combination of materials. I'm going to hide behind my big chocolate bunny now, so the MF04 Task Force can't find me! Kenneth C. Crocco Senior Member Username: kcrocco Post Number: 133 Registered: 04-2003 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 03:30 pm:    you've been found! Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 743 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 03:47 pm:    Somebody must have eaten the ears...