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Author Message Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 684 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:33 am:    Can someone suggest proper MF04 number for 01950 - Perforated Pastry Units Oh, come on! Lighten up!!! It's a joke-- will share entire 8-page Section in CSI format; e-mail me. Marc C Chavez Senior Member Username: mchavez Post Number: 230 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:38 am:    Is it a common work results for meetings? 01 31 19. 05 Perforated Pastry Units Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 685 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:48 am:    Help me, Marc-- Is a consumable a "work result" or a "transient activity"? Marc C Chavez Senior Member Username: mchavez Post Number: 231 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 10:56 am:    Temporary staging is a work result even though it gets torn down later as does any false work. The real issue here is the location of the section. Is this a Temporary Facility 01 5x xx or part of Administration. As this takes place in and for project meetings I firmly believe that it should be in 01 3x xx. Randall T. Bailey, PE, CSI, CCS, LEED AP Senior Member Username: baileyr Post Number: 15 Registered: 07-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 11:19 am:    Ralph, how does one find your e-mail address ? Here's mine if it's easier: randall.bailey@ch2m.com Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 225 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 11:38 am:    Marc are you sure about the temporary aspect of these units? I am sure there are plenty of mid-sections and thighs out there to prove otherwise. Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 508 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:01 pm:    Getting back to Ralph's very serious question, shouldn't the title be revised? Remember, we're talking about MF04. Shouldn't it be "Perforated Pastrying"? Marc C Chavez Senior Member Username: mchavez Post Number: 233 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:01 pm:    much as the temporary work supports the consturction of the wall donuts support the permanent construction and the soul of the architect. (along with coffee and sugar or cream admixtures allowed but no Clorine ion producing chemicals like non-dairy creamer. Marc C Chavez Senior Member Username: mchavez Post Number: 234 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:08 pm:    not all section titles are geronds. But if you must then baking or frying could be used. but since that varies with type perhaps Perforated Pastry Production. No no I think were fine with PPU's See also the masonry and stone sections for examples. Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 509 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:15 pm:    I see. I guess I should retitle the section I just wrote... Section 01 77 23 "Project Closeout Partying" should be "Project Closeout Party Event," maybe. (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 12:41 pm:    Why not consider a number like 01 64 13, placing it within 01 64 00 Owner-Furnished Products? Would referenced sections include: 01 71 00 Examination and Preperation 01 74 00 Cleaning an Waste Management . . . and possibly 08 88 00 Special Function Glazing 09 94 00 Decorative Finishing 09 97 00 Special Coatings Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 687 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 01:05 pm:    UG-- this Section is awfully complete and it may cover the added topics you mention. Goes so far as to set out Green Pastry Council credits. Actually it is rather amazing what can all be "specified" in regard to the simple donut [doughnut] George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 349 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 01:48 pm:    Donut is preferred in the PRM, being the shorter of the two spellings. George A. Everding, AIA, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: geverding Post Number: 351 Registered: 11-2004 Posted on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 01:51 pm:    By the way, PRM means "Pastry Resource Menu", for those new to this forum. Leon Ruch, RA, CSI, CCS (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 04:13 pm:    I sent this section to our project managers for comment, and got back a request to add submittals for mix design and slump test results on the filling material. Somehow I find the thought conveyed by the phrase "Green Pastry Council" to be less than appetizing. Dave Metzger Senior Member Username: davemetzger Post Number: 217 Registered: 07-2001 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 - 06:11 pm:    My eyes just glazed over Joel McKellar, Assoc. AIA, LEED AP Senior Member Username: joelmckellar Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2006 Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2007 - 04:35 pm:    Perhaps the Intergovernmental Environmental Association for Tastiness (I-EAT)? David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 891 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 02:31 pm:    Getting back to the original request for MasterFormat number......... Ralph, Wouldn't the proper MF'04 number be "0"? Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 689 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 02:52 pm:    Huh? Old guy misses point! Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 278 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 03:18 pm:    It looks like a doughnut? Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP Senior Member Username: specman Post Number: 519 Registered: 03-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 03:21 pm:    Shouldn't it be a half dozen donuts? 00 00 00 Ralph Liebing, RA, CSI Senior Member Username: rliebing Post Number: 690 Registered: 02-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 03:40 pm:    If ever near-by in the same room, I will seek to avoid standing next to you guys! David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 893 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 03:53 pm:    00 00 00.13 Sheldon Wolfe Senior Member Username: sheldon_wolfe Post Number: 279 Registered: 01-2003 Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2007 - 10:47 pm:    half plus a baker's dozen Tracy Van Niel, FCSI, CCS Senior Member Username: tracy_van_niel Post Number: 233 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 11:21 am:    Actually, if the perforated pastry units were to be furnished as part of a project meeting requirement, then it should be included under the 01 31 19 number sequence. I served on the Institute Education Committee with Bob Hockaday (who is from Hawaii). I remember him telling a story about an architect there who specified that a luau for the project team had to be held as part of the project closeout! Ron Beard CCS Senior Member Username: rm_beard_ccs Post Number: 226 Registered: 10-2002 Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2007 - 12:04 pm:    The late Fred Tilp, one of the very first members of CSI, used to include a chill recipe along with the cold weather requirements for concrete. He was always a fun guy to be around. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 660 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 08:26 am:    OK, this one's serious. Suggestions, please, for the Division and Section that a Knox-Box (High security Industrial/Government Key Box) should be specified. My immediate thought is 087916. Sharon Lund, CSI, CCCA, CCS, LEED AP Senior Member Username: sharon_l Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2005 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 08:28 am:    I have keying and lock boxes in my door hardware section. David R. Combs, CSI, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: davidcombs Post Number: 253 Registered: 08-2004 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 08:37 am:    Can also be located in 08 79 13 - Key Storage Equipment. Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 661 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 08:39 am:    Evidently, there is also Section 104116 Emergency Access (or Key) Cabinet. That might make the fire marshall happier. David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI Senior Member Username: david_axt Post Number: 927 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 12:27 pm:    Lynn, You should start a new thread on this one. Since Knox-Boxes are a small commodity piece, I specify them in 087100 - Door Hardware. I can't imagine figuring out enough verbiage to make a separate section. Anonymous   Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 01:15 pm:    KISS!!!! Lynn Javoroski CSI CCS LEED™ AP SCIP Affiliate Senior Member Username: lynn_javoroski Post Number: 662 Registered: 07-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 03:33 pm:    Anonymous: I agree - it's something I learned as high school newspaper editor. However, since more jurisdictions are demanding these, I'm wondering if a one page section that would show up in the Table of Contents wouldn't make more sense. John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA Senior Member Username: bunzick Post Number: 806 Registered: 03-2002 Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2007 - 04:45 pm:    Perhaps it would fall under "Fire Command Center Specialties," and could include storage cabinets for building plans and other fire services-mandated items. Ann Baker RA CSI CCS CCCA LEED AP (Unregistered Guest) Unregistered guest Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 01:36 pm:    As usual, I'm behind again, but like Lynn we put the Knox box in 104116 Fire Department Key Box. John Regener, AIA, CCS, CCCA, CSI, SCIP Senior Member Username: john_regener Post Number: 347 Registered: 04-2002 Posted on Friday, October 19, 2007 - 02:28 pm:    Section 10 41 16? A whole spec Section for a 4" x 5" x 3" metal box with a specially-keyed door? It's practically overkill to have an article in the door hardware spec devoted to it, but that's how I handle it. Remember, Masterformat is for specifications and not for data filing. Some day there may be a CSI-produced format for data filing.