|Mark Gilligan SE, CSI|
Post Number: 124
|Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 03:59 am: |
Masterformat 2004 has assigned a section number for Steel Column Schedules 05 06 10.13. I would be interested in understanding the reason for this section. Is anybody using this section and if so how.
In 35 years I have never seen a structural column schedule in the specifications. In fact based on the PRM's discussion of the differences between what goes on the drawings and what should be located in the specifications the structural column schedule should clearly be located in the drawings.
I also have questions about the other sections dealing with schedules but this apears to be the most blatant.
|David R. Combs, CSI, CCS, CCCA|
Post Number: 189
|Posted on Tuesday, January 09, 2007 - 02:00 pm: |
My understanding of MasterFormat is this: It is merely an overall organizational structure and classifications system, and is not intended to suggest or imply that a particular item be included in the specifications or on the Drawings. It merely provides the pre-determined placeholder in the event the USER wishes to locate something there, or if the need arises for that placeholder, for filing purposes.
These established and number-assigned placeholders give the 2004 edition a significant advantage over earlier editions - a pre-determined, consistent, and predictable location for classifying information. Thankfully, gone are the days of the arbitrary and subjective user-assigned numbers that were made necessary by the proliferation non-numbered titles of MF '95, '88, etc.
|Mark Gilligan SE, CSI|
Post Number: 125
|Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 02:39 am: |
I do not have a problem in general with the new and improved MasterFormat. My question has to do with some of the specific catagory/section names.
Since there is no explination as to what each of the sections cover I have to use my imagination. The problem is my imagination is baffeled.
I cannot imagine what would be filed in a catagory titled "Steel Column schedule".
Has anybody used this section/catagory? If nobody can offer up an example of how this or one of the similar sections under 05 06 00 has been used I might find myself wondering if the King is wearing any clothes.
|John Bunzick, CCS, CCCA|
Post Number: 634
|Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 08:21 am: |
Just by perusal I could see that every division has such a number for various kinds of schedules: XX 06 00 . Use it or not, it just sets up a consistancy in location of material. Maybe no one has ever put a column schedule in the project manual, and maybe no one ever will. I take this in the larger sense of "classifying" (which MF is technically not doing) for an unknown future use of MF numbers.
|Ronald L. Geren, RA, CSI, CCS, CCCA, SCIP|
Post Number: 381
|Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 09:42 am: |
I don't know if you have the full book or not, but here is what it states in the explanation column:
"schedules of items common to multiple titles in division 05.
"schedules applicable to subject of one title should be included within this section."
"a schedule may be included on drawings, in the project manual, or a project book."
One thing to keep in mind (and contrary to what John stated above), MF is a classification--of one type, that is. MF is a part of the broader OmniClass classification system (Table 22 - Work Results).
To understand the full capability of MF is to think a little outside the normal box of construction documents. With the slow move to all-electronic construction documents, search capabilities can be integrated into software, using MF as one means of searching both drawings and specifications.
|Mark Gilligan SE, CSI|
Post Number: 127
|Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:34 am: |
While schedules can in geeneral be located in specifications, the graphical nature of a "steel column schedule" makes it difficult to imagine how it would be implemented as a specification section. Has anybody done so?
If 05 06 00 is primarily intended to be part of a classification system then there needs to be more clarity as to what goes in this catagory. Without such clarity then you cannot consistently classify nor look up information thus making the system of questionable usefullness. Here again has anybody used 05 06 00 as a place to file information and if so what type of information was placed there?
If nobody in this select group can provide me with an example or more clarification then I suggest that either MasterFormat needs further clarification on it's use or it needs to be revised.
|Chris Grimm, CSI, CCS, MAI, RLA|
Post Number: 58
|Posted on Wednesday, January 10, 2007 - 11:53 am: |
Anything that has xx 06 xx is a schedule. This is for ease of searchability, both electronic and hardcopy, by type of document. Notice same for xx 08 xx for commissioning, xx 01 xx for maintenance...
Not intended that anyone will ever use all of these for every type of work result.
Think of the data management power of a system that has a designated slot for such items. Once people are familiar with it, there will be a great advantage in being able to quickly look things up this way.
I don't claim to know whether steel column schedules would ever be presented in a format that fits into a project manual, but if someone wanted to do so, now there is a nice neat place for it to land and to be more easily found later.