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David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 766
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:00 pm: |    |
What is the MF'04 section name and number for Acoustical Cementitious Wood Fiber Panels (Tectum)? |
Robert W. Johnson
Senior Member
Username: bob_johnson
Post Number: 117
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:09 pm: | |
What's the work result you are looking for?
Fixed Sound-Absorptive Panels: 09 84 13
Cementitious Wood Fiber Decks: 03 51 13 |
David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 769
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:44 pm: | |
We mostly installed Tectum on CMU at gymnasium walls. Sometimes, though, we hang in in a suspended T grid system.
I have Fixed Sound-Absorptive Panels reserved for fabric wrapped fiber glass wall panels. |
Robert W. Johnson
Senior Member
Username: bob_johnson
Post Number: 118
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 03:49 pm: | |
Then what do you have for:
09 77 13 Stretched-Fabric Wall Systems
09 77 23 Fabric-Wrapped Panels |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 13, 2006 - 05:14 pm: | |
How about:
09 98 13.13 Fixed Sound Absorptive Wood-Based Ceiling Paneling
And:
09 95 13.13 Acoustical Wood-Based Panel Ceilings |
David Axt, AIA, CCS, CSI
Senior Member
Username: david_axt
Post Number: 770
Registered: 03-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 01:51 pm: | |
Robert,
Thanks. I did not see the 097723 Fabric Wrapped Panels section. I have probably been incorrectly using 098413 Fixed Sound Absorptive Panels. What is supposed to be in that section anyway?
Why isn't 097723 Fabric Wrapped Panels in the 09800 Acoustic Treatment sections anyway? They are acoustical panels after all.
Anon,
I don't use the dot thirteen Level 4 numbers due to my trisadekaphobia. I feel that it brings bad luck to the project. |
Kenneth C. Crocco
Senior Member
Username: kcrocco
Post Number: 71
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 02:03 pm: | |
You spelled it wrong: triskaidekaphobia; how could anyone figure it out unless you get the triskaideka right?
but I agree; using the .13 introduces gremlins into a project manual that may find their way into a project. |
Robert W. Johnson
Senior Member
Username: bob_johnson
Post Number: 119
Registered: 08-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 14, 2006 - 02:15 pm: | |
David
I think that your problem is that in the back of your mind you are still thinking of MasterFormat as a product classification table - it is not - there is not necessarily one location in MasterFormat for every product - the same product may be used for different functions or work results and thereby be located in different locations.
In terms of the type of product you are referring to there are a bunch of places you might put a finish material that also has acoustical absorption properties depending upon what you are doing with it in what location:
09 54 43 Stretched-Fabric Ceiling Systems
09 77 00 Special Wall Surfacing
09 83 00 Acoustic Finishes
09 84 00 Acoustic Room Components
I don't think there is "one right location" for the product - there are several alternative locations where the product may be appropriately specified depending on how the product is being used for that project. |
Don Harris CSI, CCS, CCCA, AIA
Senior Member
Username: don_harris
Post Number: 101
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 15, 2006 - 08:50 am: | |
A fabric wrapped panel, used for a tack or display surface does not need to be acoustic. And just for the record I dislike the .13 also. |
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